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John was mean as hell when he was drinking. I heard he had quit drinking so I'm really surprised to hear all of these stories. John's saintly wife, who stood by him for years had an horrible stroke about a year ago and the last I heard she can barely talk or walk. Very sad. John's mom used to work the streets and would leave John at the bar so they would keep an eye on him. I was told the original name of the bar was Sugar Dick Daddies.

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Re: Spot On Post du Jour

Postby thunderstruck » Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:40 am

Just got a fist pound from Jesse Jackson today...


Today 10:33 AM #1
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...about 30 minutes ago while he is staying at the MGM Grand casino. Apparently he is here to attend a rally expected to reach about 40k to protest the cuts in welfare that is expected to go into effect tomorrow...


Today 10:34 AM #2
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Sounds painful, I hope he paid for breakfast.


I didn't get it the first time I read it, went back and LOL'ed fer real.
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Postby frank - up in grand blanc » Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:02 pm

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/tv-land-pulls-dukes-hazzard-806265

TV Land Pulls 'Dukes of Hazzard' Episodes Amid Confederate Flag Uproar

The Duke boys are being put on the bench.

TV Land has pulled reruns of Dukes of Hazzard in light of the recent uproar over the Confederate flag, which is emblazoned on the roof of the show's iconic General Lee 1969 Dodge Charger, The Hollywood Reporter has confirmed.

The show has faced criticism over the depiction of the controversial flag in the wake of the June 17 shooting in Charleston, S.C., that left nine dead, and what many viewed as South Carolina's delayed decision to take the flag down.

Confederate merchandise has since been dropped by Walmart, Target, Amazon and other businesses after the shooting, which took place at a historic black church.

Shortly after the attack, photos surfaced showing alleged shooter Dylann Roof burning one American flag and stepping on another, while waving and posing provocatively with Confederate banners.

Warner Bros.' consumer division announced on June 24 that it will stop licensing toy cars and models featuring the General Lee with the flag.

In a recent interview with THR, Dukes of Hazzard star John Schneider defended the series' use of the flag. "Labeling anyone who has the flag a 'racist' seems unfair to those who are clearly 'never meanin' no harm,'" he said. His co-star Ben Jones has also come out in defense of the flag, saying it represents the "indomitable spirit of independence."

The Parents Television Council weighed in TV Land's decision Wednesday. Although the organization said they did not oppose the reasoning behind TV Land's actions, the council blasted the network and its parent company, Viacom, for "blatant hypocrisy" they say the media company demonstrated.

"When media companies are criticized for marketing programs that glamorize drug and alcohol use, or for sexualizing minors in television programs and movies, or for selling violent entertainment to children – despite overwhelming evidence of harm – or for trivializing rape, child sex abuse and pedophilia, all in the name of 'entertainment,' they are quick to wrap themselves in the banner of Free Speech," wrote PTC president Tim Winter.

"Restraint and responsibility do not infringe on the First Amendment and do not encroach on Free Speech rights. If TV Land is willing to pull The Dukes of Hazzard, out of concern for its harmful impact on our society (and it is good that Viacom is publicly acknowledging its programming can have a harmful impact on our society), they cannot then hide behind the First Amendment to refute the compelling evidence of harm from the violent and sexualized media content they continue to produce and air with impunity."


Dukes of Hazzard ran on CBS from 1979 to 1985.


The hypocrisy of selective outrage is blindingly obvious here, and I'm glad that someone has the nerve to call them out.

Related: are confederate flags so different from all of the other things that might offend that they must be scrubbed clean ala 1984, or is this the leading edge of a wave wherein society trips all over itself to excise things that are controversial? If the flag has the power to cause such a revision of recent history then I freely admit that I've been blind to something titantic. Like people really care about THIS more than all others among all challenges and legacies that beset black America? A flag on a car in an campy TV show generates action whereas so much else does not? If so then I feel like the guy who takes a day off from work only to return to find his desk moved and up is down, war is peace, etc. Wow.
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Postby thunderstruck » Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:53 pm

Pretty much +1 to everything you wrote.

It's a victory of the ideological over the actual. Some people are feeling very self-satisfied that big boxes won't be selling confederate flag merchandise any more, as if that was really the problem, or even a problem. I know a few guys around here, living in the sticks, who have a confederate flag sticker on their toolbox or ATV. They're not openly racist but they're not at Dnerd levels of "down with the struggle".

On the other hand, I know a larger number of guys with no confederate or white power trinkets but they're pretty damn sure racist. They also tend to be in a place in life where they have essentially no power to exercise over anyone, white or black, and I can't imagine them having the balls to say something untoward to a black person. So their racism is along the lines of "if a tree falls in the woods..."

So if the confederate flag were banned ten years ago, would the killer not have killed those 9 people? There's no logical connection.

Some people want to say the prevalence of the confederate flag, particularly in the south, is evidence of such a level of racial hostility that the flag, the streets and schools named after generals, and the plantation tours have to end. I guess I look at it like, in a country of 315,000,000 people the fact that there are so few episodes of racial violence like this indicates the problem is much smaller than the hysterics suggest.
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Re: Spot On Post du Jour

Postby MICHIGAN » Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:26 am

Sorry, anti-confederate here. Not due to perceived racism, but due to the fact those bastards tried to destroy the country and cost 500,000 lives on the battlefield alone. I dislike flying it for the same reason I don't want to see the Imperial Rising Sun or the swastika. Not because of racism, but because they identify people who hate this country.

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Re: Spot On Post du Jour

Postby frank - up in grand blanc » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:02 pm

MICHIGAN wrote:Sorry, anti-confederate here. Not due to perceived racism, but due to the fact those bastards tried to destroy the country and cost 500,000 lives on the battlefield alone. I dislike flying it for the same reason I don't want to see the Imperial Rising Sun or the swastika. Not because of racism, but because they identify people who hate this country.

Happy 4th of July weekend to all.


I don't disagree with that all. Its been my POV for almost ever. But I have to say that aftet the beating Detroit and my industry took dueing the auto bankruptcy I've stopped giving a shit about Ameruca. No more pledge of allegiance or anything. After what "they" said? Fuck em all.

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Postby MICHIGAN » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:01 pm

frank - up in grand blanc wrote: But I have to say that aftet the beating Detroit and my industry took dueing the auto bankruptcy I've stopped giving a shit about Ameruca.


I feel you on that, the whole thing was ridiculous how people were talking about hanging auto industry out to dry whille bailing out inurance salesmen and investment bankers who caused the problem. Fuck those people.
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Re: Spot On Post du Jour

Postby frank - up in grand blanc » Mon Jul 06, 2015 6:28 pm

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frank - up in grand blanc wrote: But I have to say that aftet the beating Detroit and my industry took dueing the auto bankruptcy I've stopped giving a shit about Ameruca.


I feel you on that, the whole thing was ridiculous how people were talking about hanging auto industry out to dry whille bailing out inurance salesmen and investment bankers who caused the problem. Fuck those people.

Saving the finance industry with very little handwringing from elected government but at the same time finding old time religion/ parading the bones of Ludwig von Mises and scolding Detroit was both intellectual and ideological horseshit. Worse wad the street, fifth estate and the common man, dumping on US auto, saying "let them die." Strategically that's dumb, but it was also a malicious abandonment of millions of us and a way of life in the Great Lakes basin. The futures of my kids and those of five million other regular guys in auto and support industries are not worth saving? Then fuck them.
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Re: Spot On Post du Jour

Postby The Conscience » Mon Jul 06, 2015 6:51 pm

Activists call on Kid Rock to denounce Confederate flag

Members of a Detroit civil rights group is calling for Kid Rock to distance himself from the Confederate flag, a symbol the Michigan musician has embraced in the past as part of his love for Southern rock. although it's unclear whether he is still using it as part of his performances.

About a dozen members of the Michigan Chapter of the National Action Network called for Kid Rock to denounce the flag at a protest Monday in front of a Midtown museum where an exhibit bears the country-hip-hop-rock superstar's name.

The controversial flag, flown by the South during the Civil War and associated with racism and slavery, has previously appeared in photos with the musician from Michigan. Rock, 44, whose real name is Robert James Ritchie, has always been a fan of Southern rock and has performed in front of the flag — as well as the American flag.

Politicians and businesses across the U.S. have distanced themselves from the Confederate flag in the wake of the June 17 shooting of nine black people by a white man in a Charleston, S.C., church

The Rev. Charles Williams II, president of the Michigan Chapter of NAN and pastor at King Solomon Baptist Church in Detroit, issued a statement Monday calling for Kid Rock to keep the flag out of his performances.

Williams at the demonstration called Kid Rock "the home-town hero who is a zero with the Confederate flag" and asked museum officials to take his name off the exhibit Kid Rock funded if he doesn't denounce the Confederate flag.

Williams and others met this morning outside the Detroit Historical Museum at 501 Woodward Ave.

"How in the hell can Kid Rock represent Detroit and wave that flag just generating millions and millions in ticket sales -- a flag that represents genocide to most of Detroit?" asked Sam Riddle, political director of NAN.

The group is calling for Kid Rock to remove any images of the flag from his shows and merchandise and to publicly take a stand against the flag

About a dozen protesters also called on the museum to make sure there are no confederate flags in his music exhibit at the museum. The exhibit highlights 100 years of Detroit music.

If Kid Rock doesn't take a stand against the flag, they said, the group would call for a boycott of the museum.

In 2011, Rock received the Great Expectations Award from the Detroit Branch NAACP, calling it "by far the coolest award I've received."

With protesters outside the event that night burning a Confederate flag, Rock addressed the controversy briefly on stage.

"I never flew that flag with any hate in my heart," Rock told the crowd at 56th annual Fight for Freedom Fund Dinner, noting that he had embraced it as a Southern rock tribute.

The controversy stretches back to at least 2002 when Kid Rock was displaying the Confederate flag onstage for several minutes during shows on that year's tour.

"Everybody knows where I stand and what I'm about," he told the Free Press in an interview that year. "It's not about hatred or being a racist. I like Southern rock music, and a lot of people died under that flag for beliefs they had, right or wrong. But it stands for rebel, and my love of Southern rock."

The Free Press reached out to Rock's staff in June amid rising national controversy about the flag following the South Carolina church shooting. Staff didn't specifically address the issue at the time. Messages on Monday were not immediately returned.

But at today's press event, Williams said an image has circulated recently of Kid Rock with a flask emblazoned with the Confederate flag.

About a half-dozen NAN members returned Saturday from South Carolina, having attended funerals for some of the shooting victims.

"We don't need implements of destruction, slavery, racism, sedition, traitors -- all these things," said Gloria Mills, a retired educator and NAN board member.

It isn't immediately clear whether any of Kid Rock's performances this year have included the flag. Kid Rock's publicist didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.

Kid Rock has always been a fan of Southern rock acts like Lynyrd Skynyrd – he sampled Sweet Home Alabama in his song All Summer Long. He has performed that song in particular in front of the Confederate flag, according to a June 23 report in USA Today.

Tony Vlahos of Ledyard, Conn., is a Kid Rock fan who says he has attended three concerts on the rocker's current summer tour, including the June 24 kickoff in Hartford, Conn. The Confederate flag did not appear onstage during any of the shows, he said.

"The only flag on that stage was the American flag," Vlahos said. "That was the backdrop that unfurled during 'Born Free,' with red, white and blue confetti."

Vlahos estimates that he has seen about 50 Kid Rock shows through the years. While Confederate flag imagery is still sometimes displayed by fans in the parking lots, Kid Rock has not deployed it onstage in many years, Vlahos said.

"I can't even remember the last time I saw it as part of his performance," he said.

Ritchie's Kid Rock Foundation previously donated to the museum, and its Kid Rock Music Lab features interactive exhibits recognizing the city's music legacy including gospel, Motown, techno, hip hop and mor

People who support the Confederate flag have said it's flown with respect to heritage. In the 1860s, the flag represented southern states rebelling in what's known as the deadliest war in American history, over slavery. It continues to be flown outside the South Carolina capitol.

Williams said in his statement that NASCAR and the state of Virginia, among others, have removed or denounced the flag, and "this is a great time for Kid Rock to let it go also."

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/2 ... /29764611/


Now the pressure is on Kid Rock to denounce the Confederate Flag. What was his motivation to fly it? Pandering to the southern rednecks?

I've never understood why people in Michigan fly the flag, given most of them have so little Southern heritage to commemorate (Taylor and other parts of Downriver excepted). Heck, if anything, their grandfathers fought in Michigan regiments against the CSA and have kinfolk buried in unmarked graves in battlefields like Antietam and Vicksburg.
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Re: Spot On Post du Jour

Postby frank - up in grand blanc » Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:27 pm

^ national Geographic, I believe, ran a story about the international use of the flag. I'm speaking from memory so I am probably missing some of the nuance, but the upshot was that it has been used as a symbol of non-conformity. Remember when people began wearing their ball caps backward? caused a stir because it meant that the wearer was swimming upstream, rejecting conformist norms, etc. Same with the flag for at least some people. I also remember when motorcycle bums wore German WW II helmets as a fuck-you, not as part of a neo-nazi uniform.

There are people out there who hate blacks. No question. But does this flag empower them? Sorry, but I see no evidence that it does or that killing it will alter their prejudice. The flag should come down from the state houses: should have many years for the reasons cited by Michigan. But I'm not at all on board with purging of it from culture and then using repudiation of the same as a litmus test before having a public voice. Start tamping down things like this and then where does it end? Feels like the tyranny of orthodoxy, or like a world where there's a defacto tenure board forcing all thought and expression into a banal sameness lest one get put on a list and then lose one's livelihood.
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Postby guest » Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:35 pm

frank - up in grand blanc wrote:^ national Geographic, I believe, ran a story about the international use of the flag. I'm speaking from memory so I am probably missing some of the nuance, but the upshot was that it has been used as a symbol of non-conformity. Remember when people began wearing their ball caps backward? caused a stir because it meant that the wearer was swimming upstream, rejecting conformist norms, etc. Same with the flag for at least some people. I also remember when motorcycle bums wore German WW II helmets as a fuck-you, not as part of a neo-nazi uniform.

There are people out there who hate blacks. No question. But does this flag empower them? Sorry, but I see no evidence that it does or that killing it will alter their prejudice. The flag should come down from the state houses: should have many years for the reasons cited by Michigan. But I'm not at all on board with purging of it from culture and then using repudiation of the same as a litmus test before having a public voice. Start tamping down things like this and then where does it end? Feels like the tyranny of orthodoxy, or like a world where there's a defacto tenure board forcing all thought and expression into a banal sameness lest one get put on a list and then lose one's livelihood.


The way I see it, the flag is a part of some people's heritage. Their ancestors gave their all, life and limb, in it's defense and it only makes sense that they continue to honor it. Having said that, I've never met anybody who displayed that banner who wasn't a complete and total racist, but maybe that's part of their heritage too.
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Postby frank - up in grand blanc » Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:22 pm

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frank - up in grand blanc wrote:^ national Geographic, I believe, ran a story about the international use of the flag. I'm speaking from memory so I am probably missing some of the nuance, but the upshot was that it has been used as a symbol of non-conformity. Remember when people began wearing their ball caps backward? caused a stir because it meant that the wearer was swimming upstream, rejecting conformist norms, etc. Same with the flag for at least some people. I also remember when motorcycle bums wore German WW II helmets as a fuck-you, not as part of a neo-nazi uniform.

There are people out there who hate blacks. No question. But does this flag empower them? Sorry, but I see no evidence that it does or that killing it will alter their prejudice. The flag should come down from the state houses: should have many years for the reasons cited by Michigan. But I'm not at all on board with purging of it from culture and then using repudiation of the same as a litmus test before having a public voice. Start tamping down things like this and then where does it end? Feels like the tyranny of orthodoxy, or like a world where there's a defacto tenure board forcing all thought and expression into a banal sameness lest one get put on a list and then lose one's livelihood.


The way I see it, the flag is a part of some people's heritage. Their ancestors gave their all, life and limb, in it's defense and it only makes sense that they continue to honor it. Having said that, I've never met anybody who displayed that banner who wasn't a complete and total racist, but maybe that's part of their heritage too.


I'm wracking my brain but cannot think of anyone who has one or displays one. Truly, and I live up here where there are 500 southerners or folk with southern heritage for every "ski." So I cannot argue against the racist or out read of the real afficianados.

I don't like the flag and its actually at least a little creepy to protecrive of it, but it is wrong IMO to turn this into the wirch hunt that it has become. Outright ban something related to history/heritage/ideologyand discourse will be that much poorer. Look, no serious student of history believes that the holocaust simply didnt happen, but are we really better off to a prioru shout down or otherwise silence those who would argue against the orthodoxy. No. Hell no. And neither are we damaged by the presence of deniers. Same can be said of the flag apologists, flat-earthers, Afro-supremicists and the rest.
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Postby The Fickle Finger » Mon Jul 06, 2015 10:21 pm

frank - up in grand blanc wrote:
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frank - up in grand blanc wrote:^ national Geographic, I believe, ran a story about the international use of the flag. I'm speaking from memory so I am probably missing some of the nuance, but the upshot was that it has been used as a symbol of non-conformity. Remember when people began wearing their ball caps backward? caused a stir because it meant that the wearer was swimming upstream, rejecting conformist norms, etc. Same with the flag for at least some people. I also remember when motorcycle bums wore German WW II helmets as a fuck-you, not as part of a neo-nazi uniform.

There are people out there who hate blacks. No question. But does this flag empower them? Sorry, but I see no evidence that it does or that killing it will alter their prejudice. The flag should come down from the state houses: should have many years for the reasons cited by Michigan. But I'm not at all on board with purging of it from culture and then using repudiation of the same as a litmus test before having a public voice. Start tamping down things like this and then where does it end? Feels like the tyranny of orthodoxy, or like a world where there's a defacto tenure board forcing all thought and expression into a banal sameness lest one get put on a list and then lose one's livelihood.


The way I see it, the flag is a part of some people's heritage. Their ancestors gave their all, life and limb, in it's defense and it only makes sense that they continue to honor it. Having said that, I've never met anybody who displayed that banner who wasn't a complete and total racist, but maybe that's part of their heritage too.


I'm wracking my brain but cannot think of anyone who has one or displays one. Truly, and I live up here where there are 500 southerners or folk with southern heritage for every "ski." So I cannot argue against the racist or out read of the real afficianados.

I don't like the flag and its actually at least a little creepy to protecrive of it, but it is wrong IMO to turn this into the wirch hunt that it has become. Outright ban something related to history/heritage/ideologyand discourse will be that much poorer. Look, no serious student of history believes that the holocaust simply didnt happen, but are we really better off to a prioru shout down or otherwise silence those who would argue against the orthodoxy. No. Hell no. And neither are we damaged by the presence of deniers. Same can be said of the flag apologists, flat-earthers, Afro-supremicists and the rest.


Regarding the heritage thing, regarding Confederate flag, you don't see people demanding we fly the Union Jack, or wave that around in defense of our "heritage". NO. This is all about a way of life, and that way was squashed in 1865. Some people cannot get past the fact that they aren't any "speshilier" than anyone else. Fuck them, fuck their way of life, and fuck their flag. My 3rd GGFather gave his life in putting that flag and government away. Ending that period of history permanently gives me hope for the future, but probably will not happen in the next 50 years anyway.
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Postby higgs1634 » Tue Jul 07, 2015 12:16 pm

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frank - up in grand blanc wrote:
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frank - up in grand blanc wrote:^ national Geographic, I believe, ran a story about the international use of the flag. I'm speaking from memory so I am probably missing some of the nuance, but the upshot was that it has been used as a symbol of non-conformity. Remember when people began wearing their ball caps backward? caused a stir because it meant that the wearer was swimming upstream, rejecting conformist norms, etc. Same with the flag for at least some people. I also remember when motorcycle bums wore German WW II helmets as a fuck-you, not as part of a neo-nazi uniform.

There are people out there who hate blacks. No question. But does this flag empower them? Sorry, but I see no evidence that it does or that killing it will alter their prejudice. The flag should come down from the state houses: should have many years for the reasons cited by Michigan. But I'm not at all on board with purging of it from culture and then using repudiation of the same as a litmus test before having a public voice. Start tamping down things like this and then where does it end? Feels like the tyranny of orthodoxy, or like a world where there's a defacto tenure board forcing all thought and expression into a banal sameness lest one get put on a list and then lose one's livelihood.


The way I see it, the flag is a part of some people's heritage. Their ancestors gave their all, life and limb, in it's defense and it only makes sense that they continue to honor it. Having said that, I've never met anybody who displayed that banner who wasn't a complete and total racist, but maybe that's part of their heritage too.


I'm wracking my brain but cannot think of anyone who has one or displays one. Truly, and I live up here where there are 500 southerners or folk with southern heritage for every "ski." So I cannot argue against the racist or out read of the real afficianados.

I don't like the flag and its actually at least a little creepy to protecrive of it, but it is wrong IMO to turn this into the wirch hunt that it has become. Outright ban something related to history/heritage/ideologyand discourse will be that much poorer. Look, no serious student of history believes that the holocaust simply didnt happen, but are we really better off to a prioru shout down or otherwise silence those who would argue against the orthodoxy. No. Hell no. And neither are we damaged by the presence of deniers. Same can be said of the flag apologists, flat-earthers, Afro-supremicists and the rest.


Regarding the heritage thing, regarding Confederate flag, you don't see people demanding we fly the Union Jack, or wave that around in defense of our "heritage". NO. This is all about a way of life, and that way was squashed in 1865. Some people cannot get past the fact that they aren't any "speshilier" than anyone else. Fuck them, fuck their way of life, and fuck their flag. My 3rd GGFather gave his life in putting that flag and government away. Ending that period of history permanently gives me hope for the future, but probably will not happen in the next 50 years anyway.


I want to ask those who claim the flag stuff is all about their devotion to honoring their heritage and the courage of brave men (and ancestors) who fought for their ideals and their "nation", if I should be demanding acceptance of the Nazi flag and demanding it be flown along side the Confederate flag as my great grandfather was a tank commander who died in North Africa? I know I'm not the only american who has a nazi or two in the family tree, they were just men of honor fighting for their country...right? Those men gave their lives in defense of the Fatherland..so they killed a bunch of Americans along the way, and gassed lots of "undesirables" and invaded a few other places....they were fighting for what they believed in. I demand the right to honor them without all that bullshit about being the enemy of the US and seeking its destruction, and how the nazis were evil , and it being a slap to the faces of the Greatest Generation and me being a neo nazi! I just want to honor my heritage.
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Re: Spot On Post du Jour

Postby Doctor Detroit » Wed Jul 08, 2015 3:08 pm

Eh, if they want to fly their flag, they should have won the war. But they didn't, so they can fly it up their ass, not on our municipal buildings.

On the other hand, I do like the Dukes of Hazzard. It has Waylon, after all. R.I.P. Hoss. Getting rid of the flag from public buildings I get, trying to erase it from pop culture references and what not is just being disingenuous and pandering.

Edit: Post needed a picture of Waylon looking like a badass.

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