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Re: Headlines

PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:59 am
by The Conscience
New bills: Cops would lose immunity for sex with prostitutes

LANSING — Under Michigan law, it's legal for police to have sex with prostitutes during an undercover investigation, but state Rep. Gary Glenn, R-Midland, introduced a bill last week that would end that exemption.
Michigan is the only state in the nation to still provide immunity from prosecution for cops who have sex with prostitutes during an investigation, said University of Michigan law professor Bridgette Carr, who works with the university's Human Trafficking clinic. It was an exemption that was provided to protect officers during sting investigations of prostitution rings.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/politic ... /99308634/


I've heard some "back in the day" stories, circa that skeevy decade known as the 1970s, where cops- with total support (maybe even direction) from department management- would fully 'utilize' the services of prostitutes in furtherance of enforcing the law. The thinking was that by completing the 'act', the prosecution would be more solid.

But that was then. No departments have operated that way in a long time. And no prosecutor would dare take a case where the officer went half way, much less all the way, with a hooker (now called 'victims of human-trafficking').


The very thought of having sex (as part of your job) with the typical drug-addicted, STD-riddled, Michigan Avenue streetwalker makes me shudder.

Re: Headlines

PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:38 am
by The Suburban Avenger
The Conscience wrote:
New bills: Cops would lose immunity for sex with prostitutes

LANSING — Under Michigan law, it's legal for police to have sex with prostitutes during an undercover investigation, but state Rep. Gary Glenn, R-Midland, introduced a bill last week that would end that exemption.
Michigan is the only state in the nation to still provide immunity from prosecution for cops who have sex with prostitutes during an investigation, said University of Michigan law professor Bridgette Carr, who works with the university's Human Trafficking clinic. It was an exemption that was provided to protect officers during sting investigations of prostitution rings.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/politic ... /99308634/


I've heard some "back in the day" stories, circa that skeevy decade known as the 1970s, where cops- with total support (maybe even direction) from department management- would fully 'utilize' the services of prostitutes in furtherance of enforcing the law. The thinking was that by completing the 'act', the prosecution would be more solid.

But that was then. No departments have operated that way in a long time. And no prosecutor would dare take a case where the officer went half way, much less all the way, with a hooker (now called 'victims of human-trafficking').


The very thought of having sex (as part of your job) with the typical drug-addicted, STD-riddled, Michigan Avenue streetwalker makes me shudder.


I realize I may have seen too many cop shows, but doesn't the mark just have to confirm the transaction for an officer to have probably cause for pandering? Just the same as an undercover officer only needs the John to agree to a price?

Re: Headlines

PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:33 pm
by The Conscience
The Suburban Avenger wrote:I realize I may have seen too many cop shows, but doesn't the mark just have to confirm the transaction for an officer to have probably cause for pandering? Just the same as an undercover officer only needs the John to agree to a price?


Technically, yes, but 'back in the day', sometimes they went the extra mile to prove the case.

Re: Headlines

PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:51 am
by Doctor Detroit
Herpaderp! It's my right to storm a police station with guns and body armor and have no repercussions! I'm just testing my rights!

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/vide ... carry-case

Fuck these gun fucks. You aren't protecting my rights, please go away.

And in case anybody forgets the first time I "Oh fuck you'd" these morons.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2073&start=2400&hilit=oh+fuck+you#p190309

Re: Headlines

PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:56 am
by vlad the impaler
They're lucky they didn't get smoked at the door. That's what happens in most of the world- if a couple of angry guys wearing body armor and AK-47s advanced a police station in Mexico or Russia or Thailand, the only sign of an incident would be the fresh bullet holes in the wall. Here they get viral videos and NRA lawyers.

Re: Headlines

PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:26 am
by Craig
vlad the impaler wrote:They're lucky they didn't get smoked at the door. That's what happens in most of the world- if a couple of angry guys wearing body armor and AK-47s advanced a police station in Mexico or Russia or Thailand, the only sign of an incident would be the fresh bullet holes in the wall. Here they get viral videos and NRA lawyers.


Is the NRA lining up behind these guys? The NRA is providing support of any kind? God, I hope not.

I've said it before as well: open carry isn't productive and the most active of the bunch are an embarrassment to regular gun aficianados.

Re: Headlines

PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:38 am
by middle aged female
Doctor Detroit wrote:Herpaderp! It's my right to storm a police station with guns and body armor and have no repercussions! I'm just testing my rights!

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/vide ... carry-case

Fuck these gun fucks. You aren't protecting my rights, please go away.

And in case anybody forgets the first time I "Oh fuck you'd" these morons.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2073&start=2400&hilit=oh+fuck+you#p190309


When was the arraignment? The article is dated March 20 but later in the article it states: Both men are due back in court March 10.
Oh, and I think the Dearborn PD needs to use this Image as their recruitment poster.

Re: Headlines

PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:29 am
by Craig
middle aged female wrote:When was the arraignment? The article is dated March 20 but later in the article it states: Both men are due back in court March 10.
Oh, and I think the Dearborn PD needs to use this Image as their recruitment poster.


Crap journalism, or rather crap editing, I believe. Looked to me that part of an old story was recycled and the foul-up with dates and verb tense was missed by whomever proofed the copy.

Just guessing now, but it seems that at least the older of the two made bail as he recently posted YouTube videos about his martyrdom experience. The YouTube vid (didn't watch, just found it on a hunch) had an avalanche of down-votes which gives me reason to believe America has a future.

The freedom riders road and marched for equal rights and I admire what they did. Patriots of the revolution stood up and then fought for representative government and I admire them, too. Ghandi, Martin Luther King, and even Karl Marx all perceived injustices and earned places in history. Trust-busting Teddy Roosevelt did the same, as did Ida Tarbell, pro-life activists, Green Peace, Mother Teresa, Clara Barton, Andrew Carnegie, and more. I don't agree with all that they stood for or agree with the outcomes that they wrought, but there was something of value an uplifting for humanity in all the work of all of them. Nothing about these two showboating pin-dicks puts them anywhere near the likes of legitimate activists. And gun nut that I am I say that the antics of the kind perpetrated by these two undermine my certainty that a second ammendment is worth having.

Re: Headlines

PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:13 pm
by The Suburban Avenger
I watched the video up to the takedown of the person with the camera. Jesus Christ, what in blue fuck were these idiots thinking?

- The creator of the video is not a journalist; he's a provocateur. One of the most basic fundamentals of journalism is not to create the story. Here, these jamokes are basically showing up to get a rise out of the cops. It worked, but it's probably not going to yield the result they're hoping for.
The NRA lawyers won't be taking their calls, mostly because wide exposure of this case (and this video) will amply demonstrate the need for gun-free 'zones.' A sensible attorney, I'd hope, would sternly recommend they plead guilty ... and deeply thank their creators that they're alive to cop to that plea.

- The restraint the cops showed is pretty impressive. Dearborn trains 'em well. If I was on the grand jury for the cop that dumped the guy(s), I'd vote to decline to prosecute after the first 'fuck you' was uttered.
And for fuck's sake, they did it in Dearborn, where a traffic stop for speeding often brings an extra scout car. What did these morons think was going to happen?

- And what on earth makes these guys, both of whom are middle-aged men, to think this is a good use of their time? Like Craig said, there are things out there worth fighting and even dying for to make this place better ... unintentional suicide by cop is not the best way to fight for freedom to walk around with a rifle slung over your shoulder.

Re: Headlines

PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:47 pm
by The Conscience
I couldn't get the content to cut and paste, but the gist of the below story is a UM grad student rented a plane in AA, flew up into the Ontario wilderness north of Lake Superior, opened the door and jumped out, and eventually the plane crashed. His body has yet to be found, and will probably a pile of scattered bones when found by hunters in 20 years.

What a way to go. Nice destroying someone's else 100K+ plane, btw.

Something that wasn't in the news this week, but I know because I know certain things, is a young man jumped off the Belle Isle bridge on Monday. Before he jumped, he attached a couple of heavy weightlifting plates to a strap around his body to ensure a quick descent to the bottom of the Detroit River. Divers found his body about four hours later.

People used to kill themselves by sitting in the garage with the car running or jumping in front of a semi. The Millenials, ever the innovators, are apparently using technology.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/m ... /99500800/

Re: Headlines

PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:27 pm
by Craig
Dude flew an airplane and then hopped out? I suppose that he could have done that anywhere between Ann Arbor and Moose 'Nads or wherever the plane went down. I'm trying to imagine how disorienting it might be for some up north retiree or a dude in Saginaw to find a smashed person in their front yard or tangled up in the apple tree. I wonder if at any point in the descent that a higher meaning for life and happiness burst into mind and the pilot thought "crap, NOW I figure it out!"?