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Postby The Conscience » Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:09 am

Do Detroit Police have a history of arrests based upon mistaken identity?

Paul Egan | / The Detroit News
Ricardo Thomas / The Detroit News

DETROIT -- When Anthony Flemister's cousin was picked up by Detroit Police, he identified himself using Flemister's name and date of birth.

The result has been ongoing trauma for Flemister, 21, who has twice been arrested by suburban police forces, who said there was a warrant in Detroit for his arrest. He also spent nearly a week in jail after he visited a Detroit police station in an effort to correct the mix-up.

Detroit Police made the mistake, a new federal lawsuit alleges, despite the fact they had access to the fingerprints of Flemister's cousin and should have known when they arrested the cousin he was not who he said he was.

Also, Flemister's fingerprints came back as "new," meaning the Detroit man had not been arrested before and could not be the man wanted on the outstanding warrant, the lawsuit alleges.

"It was a nightmare," said Flemister's mother, Patricia, who had to sign her Detroit home over to a bail bondsman to get her son out of jail.

Flemister's case is not unique, records show. At least seven lawsuits alleging mistaken identity have been filed against Detroit Police since 2001, resulting in more than $100,000 in settlements and legal fees. Police repeatedly wrongly held suspects, despite red flags such as fingerprints or descriptions that did not match those of the suspect sought, the lawsuits allege.

Police spokesman James Tate declined comment, citing ongoing litigation. In court filings, police have denied gross negligence and other wrongdoing in the mistaken identity cases.

But Flemister's lawyer, Charles Chomet, already has won settlements in two mistaken identity cases involving Detroit Police.

"The evidence shows that Detroit has a major problem with persons arrested using aliases," Chomet said in a brief prepared for another mistaken identity case involving Detroit Police.

Among the cases:

Randy Kyles was jailed for 11 days in 2005 after another man falsely identified himself as Kyles when arrested by Detroit Police three months earlier. After Kyles was released, police arrested him again due to the same mistake about nine months later. Kyle's suit against Detroit was settled for $62,500.

William Beard was held for 1 1/2 days in 2002 after going to the 10th Precinct to tell police they were seeking the wrong man on an arrest warrant for property destruction. Beard was 22 at the time. The man police were looking for was 35. Beard received an undisclosed monetary settlement.

Shurlene Rice spent 14 days in jail after her sister was arrested on an assault charge and identified herself as Shurlene prior to her release, a 2003 lawsuit alleged. Rice's incarceration continued despite her protestations of innocence and despite Detroit Police receiving a letter from the sister -- who was incarcerated elsewhere -- confessing to the crime, the lawsuit alleged.

Carlos Mayes spent 12 days in custody in 2000 after he was wrongly arrested because someone else had used his name as an alias, according to a 2001 lawsuit filed in federal court. Though the case was ultimately dismissed, depositions in the case show Detroit identification officials did not follow up after finding soon after the arrest that Mayes' fingerprints did not match those of the person sought. Though his case was dismissed from federal court, Mayes received an undisclosed settlement to head off an appeal.

Flemister was stopped in Farmington in June 2005 and told Detroit Police had a felony warrant for him for receiving stolen property, the suit filed in February in U.S. District Court alleges. The warrant was actually for Flemister's cousin, who had used his name when arrested in 2004. Farmington Police released Flemister when Detroit Police declined to send a cruiser to pick him up.

A month later, Flemister was arrested on the same warrant by Clawson Police. Again, officers released Flemister when Detroit Police declined to take custody of him.

Flemister, a salesman who was working for a temp agency at the time, was applying for a full-time job at a business where he believed they would conduct a background check. He said he and his father went to the 9th Precinct on Aug. 19 to try to get the false arrest warrant cleared up. Despite his protests of innocence, police promptly arrested him, the lawsuit says.

Flemister, who lost his temp job and the job he wanted to apply for, was held at the precinct and the Wayne County Jail until Aug. 25.


If my cousin or brother used my name and my date of birth after getting arrested for stealing hubcaps or robbing a delivery truck, I'd be pissed. Someone's silly ass would be getting smeared across the pavement.

Make up a name. Use a dead person's name. Use your worst enemies name. But saddle a family member or a friend with arrest warrants and a criminal record that's next to impossible to erase- that's just plain bad ghetto manners.

Here's to examples of poor etiquette unique to the 'hood.
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Postby jmy » Sat Apr 07, 2007 10:02 am

Bad manners, I guess. Detroit's "major problem" with criminals using aliases isn't that criminals lie -- they're expected to lie, after all. The problem seems to me that the cops can't figure out that they're lying.

I wonder how other cities get around this "problem."

In a similar vein: The police collared some crackhead-piece-of-shit who was had just broken a car window during an event. They asked the dirtbag where he lived and he pointed to my neighbor's living room window. The cops damn near knocked down the neighbor's door (with bum in tow) and drew their weapons on my neighbor when he answered. They made him get on the floor and screamed at him to produce identification to prove that he lived there. Only after he produced ID did it dawn on the cops that they should have made the criminal produce ID before harassing someone who had absolutely nothing to do with breaking into cars. D'oh.
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Postby hollowpoint » Sat Apr 07, 2007 10:23 am

For some reason, the derelicts who play the "name game" in Detroit seem to win more often. Maybe because sooo many people don't carry a valid ID or have verifiable addresses, the cops are more likely to take whatever they can get. I'm sure hoodlums everywhere try to conceal their real identity from the police, but I doubt using your cousin's name with no ID would be quite as effective with a state trooper on the interstate.

Some months ago, the Freep did a story about a local set of twins that are engaging in all sorts of criminal behavior and getting away scott free. Everytime a case goes before a jury, one twin says his brother did the crime and used his name. Bingo! Instant reasonable doubt! Then the other twin makes the same claim when it's his day in court. Both should be doing 30 years in prison for all the crimes they've committed. Instead, they're laughing about what a bunch of idiots we are.
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Postby jmy » Sat Apr 07, 2007 10:43 am

Maybe DPD should adopt some 1880s technology like anthropometry, which was actually quite effective (but cumbersome and requiring organization, which rules it from use in Detroit).

1890s technology like fingerprinting would probably be simpler. To think, Calcutta in 1900 probably had less a problem with mistaken identity than 2007 Detroit.
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Postby Mud Bug » Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:00 am

With my IRS refund in pocket, I went to MGM Grand yesterday. Usually the Detroit casinos are hovels for bad ghetto manners. I've sat at the tables and watched grown men call female dealers "f**king cu*ts" when they lose a hand. And there's nothing like having a group of men sit down and mock the dealers and other players in a foreign langauge (Farsi?)while smoking god-awful smelling cigarettes. Or my favorite- the time a bunch of gangstas at craps threatened to throw another player from the top of parking garage because his turn throwing the dice didn't fare so well. They weren't kidding.

Yesterday was a breath of fresh air, however. Other than two women who were so drunk they threw their drinks at security guards, the atmosphere was much more respectful than any of the eight hundred other times I've been there and wondered why has human decency ceased to exist.
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Postby chad sexington » Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:00 pm

Speaking of twins...what ever happened to Ca-sandra and Co-sandra?
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Postby frank - up in grand blanc » Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:48 pm

re: confused identities... Overheard this when among some off-duty DPD a few years back: "every bonehead on the street is named 'Tony'..."

Maybe it's confusing for the authorities out there because it's deliberately like "This Perfect Day," with only a few names shared by all.
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Postby hollowpoint » Sat Apr 07, 2007 10:44 pm

A former Michigan State football player charged with murder after allegedly throwing a neighbor to his death from a third-floor apartment balcony says he thought the man was trying to kill him.

Hubert D. Thompson, 28, told the Chicago Tribune that he was being poisoned by James Malone, 66, who lived in the same suburban Chicago apartment complex.

Friends and family said Thompson, who was once the nation's top-rated defensive end prospect, suffers from mental illness.

"I decided if I see him one more time, I'm going to kill him. ... I felt my head caving in because of him," Thompson said during a DuPage County Jail interview posted Saturday on the paper's Web site. "As soon as he walked past, I hit him in the back of the head and then I threw him over."

After the March 30 attack, Thompson holed up in his apartment for nearly seven hours while police SWAT teams surrounded the building. He eventually surrendered and was ordered held on $3 million bond.

DuPage County State's Attorney Joseph Birkett has said the attack appeared to be unprovoked and prosecutors have scheduled a psychiatric evaluation of the 6-foot-6-inch, 270-pound Proviso West High School graduate. Birkett did not immediately return a telephone message from The Associated Press on Saturday.

Neighbors described Thompson as friendly, but said his behavior had become erratic in recent months.

Maggie Ross, Thompson's mother, said doctors diagnosed her son with bipolar disorder two years ago, and he stopped taking medication six months ago after saying the drugs made him feel listless and dizzy.

"I tried to force him to keep taking it, but he would be sick and he appeared to be doing OK without taking anything for a while," Ross said. "Nobody was poisoning him."

Lombard Deputy Police Chief Dane Cuny said the department had records of two incidents involving Thompson since 2003 and both stemmed from "an emotional episode."

Thompson was ejected from the 2000 Citrus Bowl against Florida, his final Michigan State game, for fighting with a Gators offensive lineman. He spent two days at a mini-camp for the New Orleans Saints, but was cut for starting a fight over use of an exercise bike, the Tribune reported.

Before attending Michigan State, Thompson was a two-time Illinois state wrestling champion and track athlete.

An arraignment is scheduled for April 30.


Bad manners. Very bad manners. Or he's just a complete nutjob.
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Postby The Suburban Avenger » Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:42 pm

I'm always peeved by the guy (and this usually happens on Chalmers between Mack and 94) who's in such a hurry that he has to make another lane on a one-lane street. God that pisses me off.
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Postby The Beav » Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:54 pm

The Suburban Avenger wrote:I'm always peeved by the guy (and this usually happens on Chalmers between Mack and 94) who's in such a hurry that he has to make another lane on a one-lane street. God that pisses me off.


Moderator, please move this to the "What Do You Hate?" Thread?
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Postby The Conscience » Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:43 pm

Students arrested after Highland Park High brawl
October 25, 2007

By PEGGY WALSH-SARNECKI

FREE PRESS EDUCATION WRITER

Four students were arrested at Highland Park High School this morning after as many as 200 students were involved in a fight out on the school's football field, said Greg Byndrian, school public information officer.

About 1,000 students were sent out to the athletic fields following a 9 a.m. bomb threat. The bomb threat was cleared but a fight broke out between Highland Park students and a group of more than 250 new students from South Shore Education Center, a school in Harper Woods that closed just days after it opened.

Highland Park Schools received a call from a South Shore official on Sept. 20, saying the school had 750 students registered, but was not going to open. The official asked if Highland Park could accommodate the students.

Highland Park registered 238 at Highland Park High and 151 at the Highland Park Career Academy between Sept. 20 and the fall student count day on Sept. 26, Byndrian said. School funding is based on the students registered by count day.

Following the morning fight, Byndrian said the Southshore students were sent the former St. Benedict School gym for lunch, and would be sent home early from there. The original Highland Park students had a full day of school.

School is expected to resume at i's normal time tomorrow. An assembly is planned to discuss the incident with the students, Byndrian said.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti ... 2/71025039


Two hundred 16 and 17 year olds bitch-slapping and nut-kicking each other. What a sight this must have been.....
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Postby frank - up in grand blanc » Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:48 pm

The Conscience wrote:
Students arrested after Highland Park High brawl
October 25, 2007

By PEGGY WALSH-SARNECKI

FREE PRESS EDUCATION WRITER

Four students were arrested at Highland Park High School this morning after as many as 200 students were involved in a fight out on the school's football field, said Greg Byndrian, school public information officer.

About 1,000 students were sent out to the athletic fields following a 9 a.m. bomb threat. The bomb threat was cleared but a fight broke out between Highland Park students and a group of more than 250 new students from South Shore Education Center, a school in Harper Woods that closed just days after it opened.

Highland Park Schools received a call from a South Shore official on Sept. 20, saying the school had 750 students registered, but was not going to open. The official asked if Highland Park could accommodate the students.

Highland Park registered 238 at Highland Park High and 151 at the Highland Park Career Academy between Sept. 20 and the fall student count day on Sept. 26, Byndrian said. School funding is based on the students registered by count day.

Following the morning fight, Byndrian said the Southshore students were sent the former St. Benedict School gym for lunch, and would be sent home early from there. The original Highland Park students had a full day of school.

School is expected to resume at i's normal time tomorrow. An assembly is planned to discuss the incident with the students, Byndrian said.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti ... 2/71025039


Two hundred 16 and 17 year olds bitch-slapping and nut-kicking each other. What a sight this must have been.....


Quick. Someone forward this to Officer Sporto, and remind him that Highland Park has a mutual aid agreement with Detroit. Six months from now he could be standing in the midst of this sea with his arms outstretched like Moses, attempting to part the roiling waters.
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Postby chad sexington » Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:49 pm

When the literacy rate climbs above the Syphilis rate...we won't have these problems.
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Postby detroitrulez » Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:50 pm

this sounds more like a premeditated plot to jump the South Shore kids. Pull the alarm, get them on the field....you know the drill.

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Postby Saginaw » Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:55 pm

The Conscience wrote:
Students arrested after Highland Park High brawl
October 25, 2007

By PEGGY WALSH-SARNECKI

FREE PRESS EDUCATION WRITER

Four students were arrested at Highland Park High School this morning after as many as 200 students were involved in a fight out on the school's football field, said Greg Byndrian, school public information officer.

About 1,000 students were sent out to the athletic fields following a 9 a.m. bomb threat. The bomb threat was cleared but a fight broke out between Highland Park students and a group of more than 250 new students from South Shore Education Center, a school in Harper Woods that closed just days after it opened.

Highland Park Schools received a call from a South Shore official on Sept. 20, saying the school had 750 students registered, but was not going to open. The official asked if Highland Park could accommodate the students.

Highland Park registered 238 at Highland Park High and 151 at the Highland Park Career Academy between Sept. 20 and the fall student count day on Sept. 26, Byndrian said. School funding is based on the students registered by count day.

Following the morning fight, Byndrian said the Southshore students were sent the former St. Benedict School gym for lunch, and would be sent home early from there. The original Highland Park students had a full day of school.

School is expected to resume at i's normal time tomorrow. An assembly is planned to discuss the incident with the students, Byndrian said.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti ... 2/71025039


Two hundred 16 and 17 year olds bitch-slapping and nut-kicking each other. What a sight this must have been.....


Shit. This stuff happens ever day in my schools... only with guns. Detroit is for pussies.
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