Charles Pugh's City Council Accomplishments

About all things in and around the Detroit area

Re: Charles Pugh's City Council Accomplishments

Postby Random Douchebag » Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:01 pm

ldodger wrote:
vlad the impaler wrote:
Shark wrote:
Many of Pugh’s text messages were of a sexually-charged nature, and several are too graphic to print.
According to Madison Heights police department's review of the messages, "...the suspect offers money and video games to the victim in exchange for a video of the victim. The suspect specifically requested that the victim be naked, and he preferred that the victim be alone."
Pugh's offer came in the evening of the same day that the teen says Pugh took him to the K&G Suit Warehouse to buy him clothes, and placed his hand on the "victim's left inner thigh...aprox. one inch from his genitalia," according to the police report.


Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_news ... z2nSxsRwLc


Okay so maybe his actions didn't rise to criminal activity it's still icky as hell.

Hard to remember back five years ago, before we knew what we know today about Charles Pugh the creepy mentor, Charles Pugh the unrepentant debtor, Charles Pugh the evader, etc., to the news anchor whom everyone liked and politics seemed like a natural progression.


I'm afraid I can't agree with not filing charges. If a man had requested nude video of a young girl or touched her thigh in such a manner, he'd be in jail.

I think the not filing charges has to do with the fact that the student appears to have been 18 years old at the time of the incidents.
Practitioner of Infantilism
"Legos, legos, legos, legos, legos, legos, legos, legos, legos, legos, legos."
User avatar
Random Douchebag
Hot Fudge Everyman
 
Posts: 2883
Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:11 pm
Location: Here, there, everywhere, nowhere.

Re: Charles Pugh's City Council Accomplishments

Postby middle aged female » Sat Dec 14, 2013 11:23 pm

Random Douchebag wrote:
ldodger wrote:
vlad the impaler wrote:
Shark wrote:
Many of Pugh’s text messages were of a sexually-charged nature, and several are too graphic to print.
According to Madison Heights police department's review of the messages, "...the suspect offers money and video games to the victim in exchange for a video of the victim. The suspect specifically requested that the victim be naked, and he preferred that the victim be alone."
Pugh's offer came in the evening of the same day that the teen says Pugh took him to the K&G Suit Warehouse to buy him clothes, and placed his hand on the "victim's left inner thigh...aprox. one inch from his genitalia," according to the police report.


Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_news ... z2nSxsRwLc


Okay so maybe his actions didn't rise to criminal activity it's still icky as hell.

Hard to remember back five years ago, before we knew what we know today about Charles Pugh the creepy mentor, Charles Pugh the unrepentant debtor, Charles Pugh the evader, etc., to the news anchor whom everyone liked and politics seemed like a natural progression.


I'm afraid I can't agree with not filing charges. If a man had requested nude video of a young girl or touched her thigh in such a manner, he'd be in jail.

I think the not filing charges has to do with the fact that the student appears to have been 18 years old at the time of the incidents.

That may be true, but as a mentor working with a student, the school can probably press charges if they want to. They more than likely have a moral terpitude clause in their contracts.
User avatar
middle aged female
Hot Fudge Designated Driver
 
Posts: 7394
Joined: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:22 am

Re: Charles Pugh's City Council Accomplishments

Postby Roquefort Robert » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:05 pm

A kid is considered an adult at 17 and the age of consent is 16 in MI. The legal problem is that is against the law, from my understanding, for a teacher to have sex with a student regardless of the kid's age. I'm not real clear on the law so maybe the Thebeav would know it better and I'm guessing the Charles' professional relationship with the kid wasn't a true student-teacher relationship.
By using the El Dorado Atmospheric and Oceanic temperatures thermal map. I caculated the contrary direction where the polar jet stream is going and it didn't look pretty.
User avatar
Roquefort Robert
HFD Resident Perv
 
Posts: 5220
Joined: Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:33 pm
Location: Flint

Re: Charles Pugh's City Council Accomplishments

Postby middle aged female » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:41 pm

Roquefort Robert wrote:A kid is considered an adult at 17 and the age of consent is 16 in MI. The legal problem is that is against the law, from my understanding, for a teacher to have sex with a student regardless of the kid's age. I'm not real clear on the law so maybe the Thebeav would know it better and I'm guessing the Charles' professional relationship with the kid wasn't a true student-teacher relationship.

That's basically what I was saying above; he mentored this kid while the kid was a student. I think it holds true for a relationship between a student and a person in authority.
This is one reason my husband and I didn't date until the night after I graduated high school. I had been 18 for 4 months, but he could have been brought up on charges for moral turpitude. He was a teacher, but I think, at least at that time, it held for all school employees.
User avatar
middle aged female
Hot Fudge Designated Driver
 
Posts: 7394
Joined: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:22 am

Re: Charles Pugh's City Council Accomplishments

Postby guest » Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:16 pm

Roquefort Robert wrote:A kid is considered an adult at 17 and the age of consent is 16 in MI. The legal problem is that is against the law, from my understanding, for a teacher to have sex with a student regardless of the kid's age. I'm not real clear on the law so maybe the Thebeav would know it better and I'm guessing the Charles' professional relationship with the kid wasn't a true student-teacher relationship.


The age of consent for sexual liaisons may be 16, but Chuck was asking the kid to pose for pictures. I think that is generally called porn, and I think it's illegal, although if the kid didn't follow through I assume no crime was actually committed. As for this mentoring thing, if it was set up through the school I suspect that they could have some kind of liability for matching their student(s) up with a sexual predator.
User avatar
guest
Hot Fudge Poor Dentition
 
Posts: 6633
Joined: Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:40 am
Location: the old windmill

Re: Charles Pugh's City Council Accomplishments

Postby middle aged female » Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:51 pm

guest wrote:
Roquefort Robert wrote:A kid is considered an adult at 17 and the age of consent is 16 in MI. The legal problem is that is against the law, from my understanding, for a teacher to have sex with a student regardless of the kid's age. I'm not real clear on the law so maybe the Thebeav would know it better and I'm guessing the Charles' professional relationship with the kid wasn't a true student-teacher relationship.


The age of consent for sexual liaisons may be 16, but Chuck was asking the kid to pose for pictures. I think that is generally called porn, and I think it's illegal, although if the kid didn't follow through I assume no crime was actually committed. As for this mentoring thing, if it was set up through the school I suspect that they could have some kind of liability for matching their student(s) up with a sexual predator.

I guess this is more or less the answer to the question:
Under Michigan law, the age of consent for sexual intercourse is 16, but it is increased to 18 if the participants are a student and a teacher, substitute teacher or administrator of the school attended by the student

It would depend on if Pugh was considered in any way a substitute teacher. Also, if the kid pressed charges, I would imagine it could be sexual harassment by a superior.
User avatar
middle aged female
Hot Fudge Designated Driver
 
Posts: 7394
Joined: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:22 am

Re: Charles Pugh's City Council Accomplishments

Postby Roquefort Robert » Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:36 pm

guest wrote: I think that is generally called porn, and I think it's illegal

Porn is illegal? Fuck, I'm in trouble.
By using the El Dorado Atmospheric and Oceanic temperatures thermal map. I caculated the contrary direction where the polar jet stream is going and it didn't look pretty.
User avatar
Roquefort Robert
HFD Resident Perv
 
Posts: 5220
Joined: Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:33 pm
Location: Flint

Re: Charles Pugh's City Council Accomplishments

Postby Andy » Mon Dec 16, 2013 2:16 pm

In a way, it seemed to all work out. It doesn't seem like anyone was physically assaulted or damaged for life and Charles is now a pariah around these parts. He'll never show his cowardly face around here again.

I would consider that a victory. If only Kwame took that route.
I want to give you one of my coffee mugs. You'll be surprised at how they nice they are. I was. - Marvin Crawford
User avatar
Andy
Hot Fudge Chief
 
Posts: 12661
Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:42 pm
Location: Grand Circus Park West

Re: Charles Pugh's City Council Accomplishments

Postby thunderstruck » Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:06 pm

Andy wrote:In a way, it seemed to all work out. It doesn't seem like anyone was physically assaulted or damaged for life and Charles is now a pariah around these parts. He'll never show his cowardly face around here again.

I would consider that a victory. If only Kwame took that route.

Wow. I guess that means Pugh has better judgement than Kwame. Never thought I'd ascribe any kind of good judgement to Pugh.
User avatar
thunderstruck
Hot Fudge Regular
 
Posts: 1195
Joined: Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:01 pm
Location: Beyond comprehension

Re: Charles Pugh's City Council Accomplishments

Postby D-Day » Tue May 06, 2014 9:09 am

Where the hell am I going? And what the hell am I doing in this handbasket?
User avatar
D-Day
Hot Fudge Sniper
 
Posts: 4328
Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:19 pm
Location: Keeping Kentucky away from the rest of you

Re: Charles Pugh's City Council Accomplishments

Postby guest » Tue May 06, 2014 11:27 am

D-Day wrote:Lookee who WXYZ found in NYC!!!!

http://www.wxyz.com/news/local-news/inv ... th-student


He's waiting tables. Perfect.
User avatar
guest
Hot Fudge Poor Dentition
 
Posts: 6633
Joined: Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:40 am
Location: the old windmill

Re: Charles Pugh's City Council Accomplishments

Postby MICHIGAN » Tue May 06, 2014 12:36 pm

guest wrote:
D-Day wrote:Lookee who WXYZ found in NYC!!!!

http://www.wxyz.com/news/local-news/inv ... th-student


He's waiting tables. Perfect.


I can not find the restaurant name anywhere. Please, someone get it so I can go visit.
Santa Cleopatra
User avatar
MICHIGAN
Hot Fudge Board Game Builder
 
Posts: 4690
Joined: Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:33 am
Location: Teatro Massimo

Re: Charles Pugh's City Council Accomplishments

Postby Mulligan » Tue May 06, 2014 1:18 pm

MICHIGAN wrote:
guest wrote:
D-Day wrote:Lookee who WXYZ found in NYC!!!!

http://www.wxyz.com/news/local-news/inv ... th-student


He's waiting tables. Perfect.


I can not find the restaurant name anywhere. Please, someone get it so I can go visit.


Wonder how many pieces of flair he wears.
I used to be with it, but then they changed what 'it' was. Now, what I'm with isn't 'it,' and what's 'it' seems weird and scary.
User avatar
Mulligan
Hot Fudge Parcopresis Sufferer
 
Posts: 5245
Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:32 am
Location: board room

Re: Charles Pugh's City Council Accomplishments

Postby guest » Tue May 06, 2014 1:31 pm

MICHIGAN wrote:I can not find the restaurant name anywhere. Please, someone get it so I can go visit.


Yes, me too. I'll even leave a good tip: stop diddling young boys.

cross to People Who Will Be Found In a Bathtub With Slashed Wrists and an Empty Bottle of Hennesy
User avatar
guest
Hot Fudge Poor Dentition
 
Posts: 6633
Joined: Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:40 am
Location: the old windmill

Re: Charles Pugh's City Council Accomplishments

Postby D-Day » Tue May 06, 2014 3:02 pm

MICHIGAN wrote:
guest wrote:
D-Day wrote:Lookee who WXYZ found in NYC!!!!

http://www.wxyz.com/news/local-news/inv ... th-student


He's waiting tables. Perfect.


I can not find the restaurant name anywhere. Please, someone get it so I can go visit.


Story at 6 tonight....maybe then
Where the hell am I going? And what the hell am I doing in this handbasket?
User avatar
D-Day
Hot Fudge Sniper
 
Posts: 4328
Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:19 pm
Location: Keeping Kentucky away from the rest of you

PreviousNext

Return to General Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests