May 20th, 2010, 08:23 AM
Supersport Join Date: Mar 2009
So, now it seems Aiyana's father may have been involved, possibly the driver of the vehicle during the drive-by that killed the 17 year old Jerean Blake. He has a criminal background involving unarmed robbery and fleeing/eluding in a stolen vehicle. Most recently, possible threats involving a gun AFTER the homicide, against kids wearing shirts paying respect to Jerean Blake. After MSP obtained a search warrant, in order to conduct their investigation, it was discovered their home had multiple stolen vehicles in the backyard, along with illegal electricity hooked up.
There's no question that Aiyana Jones was living in a house of skank. However, that's irrelevant. Using this information to justify the raid is intellectually dishonest. This girl was an innocent bystander to raid. The police had credible information that children were inside the home. They went in strong anyway. We must assess that command decision independent of this family's obvious dysfunction.
So, with these new details, we have to assume that the family all living at that location, both upper/lower flats,
That's valid. And it does appear that the DPD arrived at the home that night thanks to some very good police work, so let's further assume the investigators confirmed the living situation immediately prior to the raid.
were well aware that they were harboring not only 1, but 2 people involved in a homicide. They willingly harbored these fugitatives, knowing the police would be looking for them.
How can that be assumed? We don't know how much information the rest of the family had about the murder. I doubt this asshole came home and announced his crime. Besides, it's irrelevant. Seven-year-old children don't knowingly decide to harbor fugitives. Aiyana Jones was no more a party to harboring a fugitive than the bank tellers in Dog Day Afternoon. Kids were in the house, and that fact should've impacted DPD's strategy to arrest this suspect.
So why were grandma and a 7 year old in the living room that late at night? Was it because perhaps they were hiding somebody in the bed where Aiyana or Grandma normally slept? I know when I have kids, when bed time rolls around, they won't be sleeping/resting/laying on the couch at midnight on a weeknight nor a weekend.
Cross-post to shoddy thinking. As he established earlier in his post the suspect lived in the house. Maybe the kid had a stomach ache or nightmare or any of the 15,000 excuses kids make to get out of bed in the middle of the night.
While these new facts do nothing to erase the tragic loss of two children, taken way too early in life.
But some people sure are trying hard to mitigate the tragedy.
It does however cloud the initial picture of this perfect little home, innocent of any wrong doing other than the "bad guy" living upstairs, that they seemingly didn't even know.
I'm sorry but I missed where anyone, save perhaps Ron Scott and that lunatic fringe, made such an argument. No denies the cops went in looking for the right guy. No one denies this family was messed up, to say the least. Although Supersport does beg the question, would his opinion change if the Jones family had been all wholesome and sweet, like the Osmonds, save for one bad apple cousin?
What's everybody else's opinion?
I think you're trying to justify a dysfunctional police department's refusal to re-assess basic command decisions. Essentially, you're making excuses for protocols that needlessly endanger your life, your colleagues lives, and the lives of the very people you're sworn to protect (ie Aiyana Jones).
With new facts coming to light, does anybody feel that one, or perhaps both parties involved in the 17 year olds death should be charged with Aiyana's death, much the same as the carjacker recently was charged with homicide of the elderly woman who was shot by the victim pursuing the carjacker?
If this was a Law & Order episode that would happen. Jack McCoy for Wayne County Prosecutor!
Again, not to take from how tragic these events are.
With all due respect... I'm not a racist but...
I just wonder how long before society comes to realize, when you house drug dealers, murderers, and thieves, you bring danger to your whole household, not just parties involved.
I just wonder how long before the police department comes to realize, when someone houses drug dealers, murderers, and thieves, raiding such places brings danger to the whole household, not just parties involved.
The statement kind of works both ways. Besides, society at large didn't "house" a murder suspect. If DPD culture assumes that all of society is like this particular household, the department has some serious problems.
It's a shame we can't prevent such individuals from breeding in the first place.
I could say the same about a rural culture that breeds methed out militias plotting to kills cops and go to war with the government.