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Postby The Beav » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:07 pm

So the Super Bowl sucked.

There was, however, good news and bad news for Mulligan. Good news = Denver now has more Super Bowl losses than Buffalo. Bad news = Buffalo still lost four in a row.
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Re: The Anything But The Lions NFL Thread

Postby Mulligan » Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:55 pm

The Beav wrote:So the Super Bowl sucked.

There was, however, good news and bad news for Mulligan. Good news = Denver now has more Super Bowl losses than Buffalo. Bad news = Buffalo still lost four in a row.


Andre Reed got into the Hall of Fame so the final tally for the weekend was good news 2, bad news 1.
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Re: The Anything But The Lions NFL Thread

Postby Andy » Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:43 am

Mark Cuban, the outspoken Dallas Mavericks owner, predicts a drastic decline in the popularity of the NFL over the next decade due to the league's greed.

"I think the NFL is 10 years away from an implosion," Cuban said Sunday evening when his pregame conversation with reporters, which covered a broad range of topics, swayed toward football. "I'm just telling you, pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. And they're getting hoggy. Just watch. Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. When you try to take it too far, people turn the other way.

"I'm just telling you, when you've got a good thing and you get greedy, it always, always, always, always, always turns on you. That's rule number one of business."

Cuban is specifically referring to the NFL expanding their television package. He considers it a poor business decision for the NFL, which consistently dominates TV ratings, to play games on days other than Sunday and Monday.

In February, the NFL announced a one-year deal with CBS and NFL Network partnering to televise Thursday night games. CBS, which won the bidding for the Thursday night package over NBC, ABC, Fox and Turner, will air the games during the first eight weeks of the season, simulcasting them with the NFL Network. The league's cable network will exclusively show six Thursday night games later in the season with CBS' top announcing tandem of Jim Nantz and Phil Simms in the booth. The NFL Network will also have a Saturday doubleheader in Week 16.

The NFL started a limited package of Thursday night games in 2006. The NFL Network showed 13 Thursday night games last season.

"They're trying to take over every night of TV," Cuban said. "Initially, it'll be, 'Yeah, they're the biggest-rating thing that there is.' OK, Thursday, that's great, regardless of whether it impacts [the NBA] during that period when we cross over. Then if it gets Saturday, now you're impacting colleges. Now it's on four days a week. ...

"It's all football. At some point, the people get sick of it."

Cuban said the NFL is making a mistake by valuing television money over the convenience of fans who are used to planning for their NFL teams to play on Sundays with the occasional Monday night game. He compared it to the decline in popularity of "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire" after the game show expanded to air five days a week.

"They put it on every night," Cuban said. "Not 100 percent analogous, but they handled it the same. I'm just telling you, pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered."

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/i ... -implosion


I think he may have a point.
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Re: The Anything But The Lions NFL Thread

Postby D-Day » Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:01 am

Andy wrote:
Mark Cuban, the outspoken Dallas Mavericks owner, predicts a drastic decline in the popularity of the NFL over the next decade due to the league's greed.

"I think the NFL is 10 years away from an implosion," Cuban said Sunday evening when his pregame conversation with reporters, which covered a broad range of topics, swayed toward football. "I'm just telling you, pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. And they're getting hoggy. Just watch. Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. When you try to take it too far, people turn the other way.

"I'm just telling you, when you've got a good thing and you get greedy, it always, always, always, always, always turns on you. That's rule number one of business."

Cuban is specifically referring to the NFL expanding their television package. He considers it a poor business decision for the NFL, which consistently dominates TV ratings, to play games on days other than Sunday and Monday.

In February, the NFL announced a one-year deal with CBS and NFL Network partnering to televise Thursday night games. CBS, which won the bidding for the Thursday night package over NBC, ABC, Fox and Turner, will air the games during the first eight weeks of the season, simulcasting them with the NFL Network. The league's cable network will exclusively show six Thursday night games later in the season with CBS' top announcing tandem of Jim Nantz and Phil Simms in the booth. The NFL Network will also have a Saturday doubleheader in Week 16.

The NFL started a limited package of Thursday night games in 2006. The NFL Network showed 13 Thursday night games last season.

"They're trying to take over every night of TV," Cuban said. "Initially, it'll be, 'Yeah, they're the biggest-rating thing that there is.' OK, Thursday, that's great, regardless of whether it impacts [the NBA] during that period when we cross over. Then if it gets Saturday, now you're impacting colleges. Now it's on four days a week. ...

"It's all football. At some point, the people get sick of it."

Cuban said the NFL is making a mistake by valuing television money over the convenience of fans who are used to planning for their NFL teams to play on Sundays with the occasional Monday night game. He compared it to the decline in popularity of "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire" after the game show expanded to air five days a week.

"They put it on every night," Cuban said. "Not 100 percent analogous, but they handled it the same. I'm just telling you, pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered."

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/i ... -implosion


I think he may have a point.


Actually, he does........and it goes deeper than just over exposure on TV. That's bad, but the general experience at an NFL game sucks. Any random Bengals game is analogous to any Lions game at the Silverdome (never tailgated and done the whole thing at Ford Field, so I can't make a comparison. But PBS = Silverdome re: drunks, fights, etc.). For the price of a day at a couple NFL games at PBS, I can walk out of Sears with a 52" TV, and a wall mount. Throw another game in and I have a home theater with which to listen in. So for three games I have a 52" TV, I'm listening in 5.1 from the comfort of my own couch, there's no hockey game breaking out in the stands, three rows below me. Trust me on this. It's just as good as being at the game. Cross post to The Detroiters (Even Transplanted Ones) Are Cheap Thread
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Re: The Anything But The Lions NFL Thread

Postby The Suburban Avenger » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:35 pm

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Andy wrote:
Mark Cuban, the outspoken Dallas Mavericks owner, predicts a drastic decline in the popularity of the NFL over the next decade due to the league's greed.

"I think the NFL is 10 years away from an implosion," Cuban said Sunday evening when his pregame conversation with reporters, which covered a broad range of topics, swayed toward football. "I'm just telling you, pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. And they're getting hoggy. Just watch. Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. When you try to take it too far, people turn the other way.

"I'm just telling you, when you've got a good thing and you get greedy, it always, always, always, always, always turns on you. That's rule number one of business."

Cuban is specifically referring to the NFL expanding their television package. He considers it a poor business decision for the NFL, which consistently dominates TV ratings, to play games on days other than Sunday and Monday.

In February, the NFL announced a one-year deal with CBS and NFL Network partnering to televise Thursday night games. CBS, which won the bidding for the Thursday night package over NBC, ABC, Fox and Turner, will air the games during the first eight weeks of the season, simulcasting them with the NFL Network. The league's cable network will exclusively show six Thursday night games later in the season with CBS' top announcing tandem of Jim Nantz and Phil Simms in the booth. The NFL Network will also have a Saturday doubleheader in Week 16.

The NFL started a limited package of Thursday night games in 2006. The NFL Network showed 13 Thursday night games last season.

"They're trying to take over every night of TV," Cuban said. "Initially, it'll be, 'Yeah, they're the biggest-rating thing that there is.' OK, Thursday, that's great, regardless of whether it impacts [the NBA] during that period when we cross over. Then if it gets Saturday, now you're impacting colleges. Now it's on four days a week. ...

"It's all football. At some point, the people get sick of it."

Cuban said the NFL is making a mistake by valuing television money over the convenience of fans who are used to planning for their NFL teams to play on Sundays with the occasional Monday night game. He compared it to the decline in popularity of "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire" after the game show expanded to air five days a week.

"They put it on every night," Cuban said. "Not 100 percent analogous, but they handled it the same. I'm just telling you, pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered."

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/i ... -implosion


I think he may have a point.


Actually, he does........and it goes deeper than just over exposure on TV. That's bad, but the general experience at an NFL game sucks. Any random Bengals game is analogous to any Lions game at the Silverdome (never tailgated and done the whole thing at Ford Field, so I can't make a comparison. But PBS = Silverdome re: drunks, fights, etc.). For the price of a day at a couple NFL games at PBS, I can walk out of Sears with a 52" TV, and a wall mount. Throw another game in and I have a home theater with which to listen in. So for three games I have a 52" TV, I'm listening in 5.1 from the comfort of my own couch, there's no hockey game breaking out in the stands, three rows below me. Trust me on this. It's just as good as being at the game. Cross post to The Detroiters (Even Transplanted Ones) Are Cheap Thread


That's a point that almost no one in the sporting press (even Darren Rovell, that dialed-in bon vivant, hasn't touched on this) seems to miss. Going to a game, especially an NFL game, is an expensive, annoying mess. That's white noise to the NFL, of course, because TV ratings drive its contract demands (from the networks) and merch and other revenue streams have either remained steady or grown in the last decade.

The wild card, I think, is what the next decade will bring in terms of knowledge of head injuries and their lingering effects. The biggest hit probably will be at the youth level, where moms and dads just won't allow their children to play football. Eventually, the loss of interest will cement itself once those kids enter the job market and drive demand for the NFL and college football with their viewing and purchasing habits.
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Re: The Anything But The Lions NFL Thread

Postby Andy » Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:03 pm

Seems like in our society anything that rises to No. 1 is destined to crumble at some point. All it takes is the younger generation to stop caring about it, or yeah, the parents keep them out.

Not that the game will go away. I think it could evolve, which might be kinda fun to watch as it happens.

The Lions game experience is pretty rough right now though. I kind of miss the Silverdome for the relatively lack of intrusive advertising but those days are done. It makes me feel like a grumpy old man but I can't take the constant barrage of advertising and white noise at FF. I understand it but, it's rough. It's my choice to continue going however. I've made it 25 years, might as well keep going until it's unbearable (or cripplingly expensive) or until they finally win the damn thing.
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Re: The Anything But The Lions NFL Thread

Postby Mulligan » Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:37 am

Andy wrote:Seems like in our society anything that rises to No. 1 is destined to crumble at some point. All it takes is the younger generation to stop caring about it, or yeah, the parents keep them out.

Not that the game will go away. I think it could evolve, which might be kinda fun to watch as it happens.

The Lions game experience is pretty rough right now though. I kind of miss the Silverdome for the relatively lack of intrusive advertising but those days are done. It makes me feel like a grumpy old man but I can't take the constant barrage of advertising and white noise at FF. I understand it but, it's rough. It's my choice to continue going however. I've made it 25 years, might as well keep going until it's unbearable (or cripplingly expensive) or until they finally win the damn thing.


I've lost a ton of interest in the NFL over the last few years for various reasons. The league is up against some tough odds in my opinion. It seems hard to fathom now that boxing was once a major sport.
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Re: The Anything But The Lions NFL Thread

Postby Shark » Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:06 am

Mulligan wrote:
Andy wrote:Seems like in our society anything that rises to No. 1 is destined to crumble at some point. All it takes is the younger generation to stop caring about it, or yeah, the parents keep them out.

Not that the game will go away. I think it could evolve, which might be kinda fun to watch as it happens.

The Lions game experience is pretty rough right now though. I kind of miss the Silverdome for the relatively lack of intrusive advertising but those days are done. It makes me feel like a grumpy old man but I can't take the constant barrage of advertising and white noise at FF. I understand it but, it's rough. It's my choice to continue going however. I've made it 25 years, might as well keep going until it's unbearable (or cripplingly expensive) or until they finally win the damn thing.


I've lost a ton of interest in the NFL over the last few years for various reasons. The league is up against some tough odds in my opinion. It seems hard to fathom now that boxing was once a major sport.


Same here. In just a few years my interest in watching NFL games has dropped to almost nothing. I really can't justify spending money to go to the games, I don't like Godell, there are so many scumbag owners, I don't like all the new rules but I also hate the concussion issue. I think the constant fiddling (expanded playoffs, more games, more days, messing around with extra points and kicks, newer penalties for celebrating, etc) are going to really hurt their numbers.
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Re: The Anything But The Lions NFL Thread

Postby The Suburban Avenger » Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:25 am

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Andy wrote:Seems like in our society anything that rises to No. 1 is destined to crumble at some point. All it takes is the younger generation to stop caring about it, or yeah, the parents keep them out.

Not that the game will go away. I think it could evolve, which might be kinda fun to watch as it happens.

The Lions game experience is pretty rough right now though. I kind of miss the Silverdome for the relatively lack of intrusive advertising but those days are done. It makes me feel like a grumpy old man but I can't take the constant barrage of advertising and white noise at FF. I understand it but, it's rough. It's my choice to continue going however. I've made it 25 years, might as well keep going until it's unbearable (or cripplingly expensive) or until they finally win the damn thing.


I've lost a ton of interest in the NFL over the last few years for various reasons. The league is up against some tough odds in my opinion. It seems hard to fathom now that boxing was once a major sport.


Same here. In just a few years my interest in watching NFL games has dropped to almost nothing. I really can't justify spending money to go to the games, I don't like Godell, there are so many scumbag owners, I don't like all the new rules but I also hate the concussion issue. I think the constant fiddling (expanded playoffs, more games, more days, messing around with extra points and kicks, newer penalties for celebrating, etc) are going to really hurt their numbers.


Indeed. Yet another reason why the NFLPA is the worst union in the big four sports. I can't imagine what it must be like to play a game Sunday, then turn around and fly on Wednesday to play a Thursday game. Yeah, they get extra time off before the next game but, still.

Much as I like Jimmy Graham, I understand the reasoning behind banning the goalpost dunks. It can take as long as 10 minutes to true the crossbar again if the player pulls it out of alignment.
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Re: The Anything But The Lions NFL Thread

Postby The Beav » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:53 pm

The Suburban Avenger wrote:Much as I like Jimmy Graham, I understand the reasoning behind banning the goalpost dunks. It can take as long as 10 minutes to true the crossbar again if the player pulls it out of alignment.


I would think the NFL would welcome this as a chance to show more commercials.
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Re: The Anything But The Lions NFL Thread

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My interest in the NFL continues to wane. I hope they stay, but the fanatical days seem to be permanently behind me.
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Re: The Anything But The Lions NFL Thread

Postby The Suburban Avenger » Wed May 28, 2014 7:00 pm

Malcolm Glazer, the owner of the Buccaneers and Manchester United, has died.

Reports say his sons will retain ownership of both teams.
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Re: The Anything But The Lions NFL Thread

Postby Andy » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:14 am

I don't know why the Ray Rice suspension for punching his girl is pissing me off so much.

I mean, I know why it makes me mad, I'm not sure why I'm feeling a boiling point. I know the whole league isn't filled with felons, but we aren't being told the truth in a lot of circumstances either.

What the fuck am I supporting? Why am I giving the NFL my money for tickets? This isn't a "Lions suck and I don't want to watch them" thing. It's more about supporting a league in general that's too big to care about women being punched in the face. What does that make me since I buy tickets? Complicit with that stance?

If I discovered a friend was beating up his girl, we wouldn't be friends anymore, yet I still watch the NFL and other leagues.

It doesn't feel right.
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Re: The Anything But The Lions NFL Thread

Postby Andy » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:46 am

Leave it to former shitty local reporter Michael Rosenberg to write a glib column about this mess.


So, you are Roger Goodell.

EDITOR’S NOTE: You are not actually Roger Goodell.

You just suspended Ray Rice for only two games for allegedly beating up his then-fiancée (now wife), Janay Palmer.

EDITOR’S NOTE: See first editor’s note.

Meanwhile, as others have pointed out, you routinely suspend players for four games for testing positive for Adderall. You suspended quarterback Terrelle Pryor for five games, on the bizarre grounds that he would have missed five college games for violations of NCAA rules that have nothing to do with the NFL, which is sort of like collecting the fines on library books Pryor failed to return in high school. You suspended linebacker Von Miller for six games for trying to cheat on a drug test, and you tried to suspend Scott Fujita for three games for the Saints’ bounty scandal, even though Fujita was later cleared of wrongdoing.

Yet you only suspended Rice, who allegedly knocked his fiancée out and dragged her out of an elevator in an Atlantic City Casino, for just two games.

EDITOR’S NOTE: Rice was not actually found guilty of anything.

Wait. WHAT?

Yes, it’s true: Ray Rice was not convicted. His case never even went to trial. He pleaded not guilty to a single count of third-degree aggravated assault and entered a diversionary pre-trial intervention program for first-time offenders.

This kind of fact tends to get lost in the modern media climate, especially on Twitter. We draw a line in the sand, jump to one side as quickly as possible, and scream that people on the other side are morons. The instinct is to say “HE BEAT UP A WOMAN AND ONLY GOT SUSPENDED TWO GAMES” and feel proud of ourselves. If anybody tries to dispute the point, or bring some nuance to the discussion, or (gasp!) understand both sides of the argument, that person gets shot down. In this case, that person is easily branded as supporting a domestic abuser.

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