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Postby D-Day » Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:11 am

And so now that the 2015 All-Star game will be in Cincinnati, the local sports jocks are already bringing up the pink elephant in the room.

What do you do about Pete Rose?

Discussing that subject around here is almost as toxic as politics or religion...here's a little local perspective from Lance McAlister of 700WLW from his blog

Let's talk about that elephant in the corner of the room. This has been a great week for the Reds, their fans and the city. The All-Star game is coming to town in 2015. I've waited a couple of days do bring this up, so as to not change the feel-good narrative of what the game means to the city. However, there is a significant issue attached to this story: Pete Rose. It's time for MLB to reinstate Rose, as part of a celebration of the All-Star game returning to the home of the first professional baseball team?
You simply can't have the All-Star game shine a spotlight on Cincinnati and the Reds and not have the week include Rose. He played in 17 All-Star games. He was involved in perhaps the most memorable moment (1970) in the history of the game. He is the face of the franchise's history. This franchise, city and fan base has been through a lot: Rose's ban, Marge Schott, nine straight losing seasons, no playoffs from 1996 to 2009. But now, the franchise is on solid ground, poised to be a yearly factor on the playoff scene. There is a pride associated with the franchise that fans haven't felt for years. The fans, city and franchise deserve to have a missing piece returned to them. For nearly 24 years the Reds have followed and respected the wishes of MLB and Bud Selig. They have chosen not to go toe to toe with Selig, over Rose issues. The Reds sat back and accepted not being able to retire Rose's number 14. They have remained silent about not being able to induct him into their own Hall of Fame. They did not push the envelope for Rose to simply be able to speak at GABP, on the anniversary of record breaking hit 4,192. The Reds have earned a lot of credit within MLB, from the Civil Rights Games to the Urban Youth Academy to making the playoffs 2 of last 3 years as a "small" market team. Selig clearly recognizes and appreciates their efforts. He understands the history of the franchise. Now is the time for him to reconnect that history and return Rose to the Reds, the fans and city.
Get reinstatement out of the way. To wait til 2015 and the All-Star game, is to turn the spotlight on Rose, more than the game itself.
All-Star week will include dinners, Q/A sessions, clinics, and endless festivities. Rose should be a part of those activities, selling the event, selling the game, like nobody else can.
The biggest hope in all of this happening is that Bud Selig plans to retire after 2014.
It would be a clean break and lead to a fresh start in the relationship between Rose and MLB. Selig would have upheld the decision of friend, and former commissioner Bart Giamatti to ban Rose. What a first step for the new commissioner. I can see that individual holding a press conference and simply saying, "it's time...Pete, welcome back to this great game."
Will Rose get into the Hall of Fame? I don't know. I'd guess no. But actually put Rose on the ballot for the first time and let the writers decide. Either way, it's time, time to lift the ban. It's been 23 years, 5 months and 1 day since Rose was banned, August 24, 1989. That's 8,555 days. Rose is now 71 years old. He cost himself dearly, with his own actions. He stated, last week on his reality show, he's probably cost himself $60-million with his actions. He paid a huge price. To some, he's became a joke and caricature of himself. To others, he's become a sympathetic figure. Still, others won't be happy til they extract a pound of flesh from Rose. Nobody disputes what Rose did was wrong. He's been punished. He has served a nearly 24 year sentence. It's time for that sentence to be commuted. Do it for the Reds, the fans and the city. Rose being back in baseball does more good for the game than harm

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Re: D-Day's Reds Thread

Postby Ansel Rakestraw » Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:25 pm

D-Day wrote:And so now that the 2015 All-Star game will be in Cincinnati, the local sports jocks are already bringing up the pink elephant in the room.

What do you do about Pete Rose?

Discussing that subject around here is almost as toxic as politics or religion...here's a little local perspective from Lance McAlister of 700WLW from his blog

Let's talk about that elephant in the corner of the room. This has been a great week for the Reds, their fans and the city. The All-Star game is coming to town in 2015. I've waited a couple of days do bring this up, so as to not change the feel-good narrative of what the game means to the city. However, there is a significant issue attached to this story: Pete Rose. It's time for MLB to reinstate Rose, as part of a celebration of the All-Star game returning to the home of the first professional baseball team?
You simply can't have the All-Star game shine a spotlight on Cincinnati and the Reds and not have the week include Rose. He played in 17 All-Star games. He was involved in perhaps the most memorable moment (1970) in the history of the game. He is the face of the franchise's history. This franchise, city and fan base has been through a lot: Rose's ban, Marge Schott, nine straight losing seasons, no playoffs from 1996 to 2009. But now, the franchise is on solid ground, poised to be a yearly factor on the playoff scene. There is a pride associated with the franchise that fans haven't felt for years. The fans, city and franchise deserve to have a missing piece returned to them. For nearly 24 years the Reds have followed and respected the wishes of MLB and Bud Selig. They have chosen not to go toe to toe with Selig, over Rose issues. The Reds sat back and accepted not being able to retire Rose's number 14. They have remained silent about not being able to induct him into their own Hall of Fame. They did not push the envelope for Rose to simply be able to speak at GABP, on the anniversary of record breaking hit 4,192. The Reds have earned a lot of credit within MLB, from the Civil Rights Games to the Urban Youth Academy to making the playoffs 2 of last 3 years as a "small" market team. Selig clearly recognizes and appreciates their efforts. He understands the history of the franchise. Now is the time for him to reconnect that history and return Rose to the Reds, the fans and city.
Get reinstatement out of the way. To wait til 2015 and the All-Star game, is to turn the spotlight on Rose, more than the game itself.
All-Star week will include dinners, Q/A sessions, clinics, and endless festivities. Rose should be a part of those activities, selling the event, selling the game, like nobody else can.
The biggest hope in all of this happening is that Bud Selig plans to retire after 2014.
It would be a clean break and lead to a fresh start in the relationship between Rose and MLB. Selig would have upheld the decision of friend, and former commissioner Bart Giamatti to ban Rose. What a first step for the new commissioner. I can see that individual holding a press conference and simply saying, "it's time...Pete, welcome back to this great game."
Will Rose get into the Hall of Fame? I don't know. I'd guess no. But actually put Rose on the ballot for the first time and let the writers decide. Either way, it's time, time to lift the ban. It's been 23 years, 5 months and 1 day since Rose was banned, August 24, 1989. That's 8,555 days. Rose is now 71 years old. He cost himself dearly, with his own actions. He stated, last week on his reality show, he's probably cost himself $60-million with his actions. He paid a huge price. To some, he's became a joke and caricature of himself. To others, he's become a sympathetic figure. Still, others won't be happy til they extract a pound of flesh from Rose. Nobody disputes what Rose did was wrong. He's been punished. He has served a nearly 24 year sentence. It's time for that sentence to be commuted. Do it for the Reds, the fans and the city. Rose being back in baseball does more good for the game than harm

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Super A+ on that essay. For fucks sake, they are doing nothing about the steroid abuse that keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger and had, you know, meaningful and actual impacts on competition. NOTHING Rose did impacted scores or competition. I don't know of any kids that ran out to bet on games, but there are thousands upon thousands of documented cases of highschool and younger players 'roiding up becuase they saw it as the only way to get in...and hey if Mark McGwire can do it with impunity, why not them?

Either Rose is out and so is everybody even vaguely tainted by steroids or the steroid abusers are left in and Rose is welcomed back.

Hiding behind the flimsy shelter of "Well, steroids weren't banned so no-one can be held accountable, it was defacto legal" is bullshit. If it was so 'innocent' why was everyone hiding it?
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Re: D-Day's Reds Thread

Postby Ya Mar » Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:48 pm

Ansel Rakestraw wrote:
D-Day wrote:And so now that the 2015 All-Star game will be in Cincinnati, the local sports jocks are already bringing up the pink elephant in the room.

What do you do about Pete Rose?

Discussing that subject around here is almost as toxic as politics or religion...here's a little local perspective from Lance McAlister of 700WLW from his blog

Let's talk about that elephant in the corner of the room. This has been a great week for the Reds, their fans and the city. The All-Star game is coming to town in 2015. I've waited a couple of days do bring this up, so as to not change the feel-good narrative of what the game means to the city. However, there is a significant issue attached to this story: Pete Rose. It's time for MLB to reinstate Rose, as part of a celebration of the All-Star game returning to the home of the first professional baseball team?
You simply can't have the All-Star game shine a spotlight on Cincinnati and the Reds and not have the week include Rose. He played in 17 All-Star games. He was involved in perhaps the most memorable moment (1970) in the history of the game. He is the face of the franchise's history. This franchise, city and fan base has been through a lot: Rose's ban, Marge Schott, nine straight losing seasons, no playoffs from 1996 to 2009. But now, the franchise is on solid ground, poised to be a yearly factor on the playoff scene. There is a pride associated with the franchise that fans haven't felt for years. The fans, city and franchise deserve to have a missing piece returned to them. For nearly 24 years the Reds have followed and respected the wishes of MLB and Bud Selig. They have chosen not to go toe to toe with Selig, over Rose issues. The Reds sat back and accepted not being able to retire Rose's number 14. They have remained silent about not being able to induct him into their own Hall of Fame. They did not push the envelope for Rose to simply be able to speak at GABP, on the anniversary of record breaking hit 4,192. The Reds have earned a lot of credit within MLB, from the Civil Rights Games to the Urban Youth Academy to making the playoffs 2 of last 3 years as a "small" market team. Selig clearly recognizes and appreciates their efforts. He understands the history of the franchise. Now is the time for him to reconnect that history and return Rose to the Reds, the fans and city.
Get reinstatement out of the way. To wait til 2015 and the All-Star game, is to turn the spotlight on Rose, more than the game itself.
All-Star week will include dinners, Q/A sessions, clinics, and endless festivities. Rose should be a part of those activities, selling the event, selling the game, like nobody else can.
The biggest hope in all of this happening is that Bud Selig plans to retire after 2014.
It would be a clean break and lead to a fresh start in the relationship between Rose and MLB. Selig would have upheld the decision of friend, and former commissioner Bart Giamatti to ban Rose. What a first step for the new commissioner. I can see that individual holding a press conference and simply saying, "it's time...Pete, welcome back to this great game."
Will Rose get into the Hall of Fame? I don't know. I'd guess no. But actually put Rose on the ballot for the first time and let the writers decide. Either way, it's time, time to lift the ban. It's been 23 years, 5 months and 1 day since Rose was banned, August 24, 1989. That's 8,555 days. Rose is now 71 years old. He cost himself dearly, with his own actions. He stated, last week on his reality show, he's probably cost himself $60-million with his actions. He paid a huge price. To some, he's became a joke and caricature of himself. To others, he's become a sympathetic figure. Still, others won't be happy til they extract a pound of flesh from Rose. Nobody disputes what Rose did was wrong. He's been punished. He has served a nearly 24 year sentence. It's time for that sentence to be commuted. Do it for the Reds, the fans and the city. Rose being back in baseball does more good for the game than harm

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Super A+ on that essay. For fucks sake, they are doing nothing about the steroid abuse that keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger and had, you know, meaningful and actual impacts on competition. NOTHING Rose did impacted scores or competition. I don't know of any kids that ran out to bet on games, but there are thousands upon thousands of documented cases of highschool and younger players 'roiding up becuase they saw it as the only way to get in...and hey if Mark McGwire can do it with impunity, why not them?

Either Rose is out and so is everybody even vaguely tainted by steroids or the steroid abusers are left in and Rose is welcomed back.

Hiding behind the flimsy shelter of "Well, steroids weren't banned so no-one can be held accountable, it was defacto legal" is bullshit. If it was so 'innocent' why was everyone hiding it?


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Re: D-Day's Reds Thread

Postby D-Day » Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:42 pm

Ya Mar wrote:
Ansel Rakestraw wrote:
D-Day wrote:And so now that the 2015 All-Star game will be in Cincinnati, the local sports jocks are already bringing up the pink elephant in the room.

What do you do about Pete Rose?

Discussing that subject around here is almost as toxic as politics or religion...here's a little local perspective from Lance McAlister of 700WLW from his blog

Let's talk about that elephant in the corner of the room. This has been a great week for the Reds, their fans and the city. The All-Star game is coming to town in 2015. I've waited a couple of days do bring this up, so as to not change the feel-good narrative of what the game means to the city. However, there is a significant issue attached to this story: Pete Rose. It's time for MLB to reinstate Rose, as part of a celebration of the All-Star game returning to the home of the first professional baseball team?
You simply can't have the All-Star game shine a spotlight on Cincinnati and the Reds and not have the week include Rose. He played in 17 All-Star games. He was involved in perhaps the most memorable moment (1970) in the history of the game. He is the face of the franchise's history. This franchise, city and fan base has been through a lot: Rose's ban, Marge Schott, nine straight losing seasons, no playoffs from 1996 to 2009. But now, the franchise is on solid ground, poised to be a yearly factor on the playoff scene. There is a pride associated with the franchise that fans haven't felt for years. The fans, city and franchise deserve to have a missing piece returned to them. For nearly 24 years the Reds have followed and respected the wishes of MLB and Bud Selig. They have chosen not to go toe to toe with Selig, over Rose issues. The Reds sat back and accepted not being able to retire Rose's number 14. They have remained silent about not being able to induct him into their own Hall of Fame. They did not push the envelope for Rose to simply be able to speak at GABP, on the anniversary of record breaking hit 4,192. The Reds have earned a lot of credit within MLB, from the Civil Rights Games to the Urban Youth Academy to making the playoffs 2 of last 3 years as a "small" market team. Selig clearly recognizes and appreciates their efforts. He understands the history of the franchise. Now is the time for him to reconnect that history and return Rose to the Reds, the fans and city.
Get reinstatement out of the way. To wait til 2015 and the All-Star game, is to turn the spotlight on Rose, more than the game itself.
All-Star week will include dinners, Q/A sessions, clinics, and endless festivities. Rose should be a part of those activities, selling the event, selling the game, like nobody else can.
The biggest hope in all of this happening is that Bud Selig plans to retire after 2014.
It would be a clean break and lead to a fresh start in the relationship between Rose and MLB. Selig would have upheld the decision of friend, and former commissioner Bart Giamatti to ban Rose. What a first step for the new commissioner. I can see that individual holding a press conference and simply saying, "it's time...Pete, welcome back to this great game."
Will Rose get into the Hall of Fame? I don't know. I'd guess no. But actually put Rose on the ballot for the first time and let the writers decide. Either way, it's time, time to lift the ban. It's been 23 years, 5 months and 1 day since Rose was banned, August 24, 1989. That's 8,555 days. Rose is now 71 years old. He cost himself dearly, with his own actions. He stated, last week on his reality show, he's probably cost himself $60-million with his actions. He paid a huge price. To some, he's became a joke and caricature of himself. To others, he's become a sympathetic figure. Still, others won't be happy til they extract a pound of flesh from Rose. Nobody disputes what Rose did was wrong. He's been punished. He has served a nearly 24 year sentence. It's time for that sentence to be commuted. Do it for the Reds, the fans and the city. Rose being back in baseball does more good for the game than harm

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Super A+ on that essay. For fucks sake, they are doing nothing about the steroid abuse that keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger and had, you know, meaningful and actual impacts on competition. NOTHING Rose did impacted scores or competition. I don't know of any kids that ran out to bet on games, but there are thousands upon thousands of documented cases of highschool and younger players 'roiding up becuase they saw it as the only way to get in...and hey if Mark McGwire can do it with impunity, why not them?

Either Rose is out and so is everybody even vaguely tainted by steroids or the steroid abusers are left in and Rose is welcomed back.

Hiding behind the flimsy shelter of "Well, steroids weren't banned so no-one can be held accountable, it was defacto legal" is bullshit. If it was so 'innocent' why was everyone hiding it?


Fergie Jenkins was permanently banned from baseball for transporting cocaine over international borders. He was in the hall of fame 6 .5 years later.


Here's my take.....and I'm with you about lifting the ban. I say lift it, and before the 2015 All-Star game. Let the writers decide if he gets into the Hall with the caveat that if elected, his plaque is annotated with the fact that he was banned for gambling for x number of years. As much evidence as there is about that fact that he gambled, there is none that bet against his own team(s), either playing or managing. Yes, it's playing with fire.....but the punishment has been served, I think. As far as Pete Rose, himself; dude's a caricature of what he should be. Signing baseballs outside of any big MLB event for peanuts, reality shows.....that will be his legacy just as much as being the Hit King (his title in these parts), and isn't that enough, now, 25 years and change later???? He has said, himself, that the ban has cost him in the neighborhood of $60 million. There are people that would scream about Shoeless Joe Jackson, but Shoeless Joe's ban didn't cost him nearly what Rose's ban did in money or public opinion, so I would say lift that one, too. Rose's ban has cost him much more dearly in the eyes of fans and monetarily. The example has been set and leave it at that...

They interview him all the time here about the Reds, and he's got a baseball mind, still, that's second to none. I wonder what he would have done with had he not been stupid and gambled the way he did. He was a successful manager with the Reds and they won it all the year after he was banned. Pete Rose, very easily, could have still been managing the Reds today and maybe the Reds wouldn't have toiled in the desert from 1995 until 2010 with him at the helm. But, that, we'll never know because he was stupid. There's a statute of limitations on everything save murder and back taxes. There should be a statute of limitations on stupidity, too
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Re: D-Day's Reds Thread

Postby Ansel Rakestraw » Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:28 pm

Ya Mar wrote:Fergie Jenkins was permanently banned from baseball for transporting cocaine over international borders. He was in the hall of fame 6 .5 years later.


And there ya have it.

Had no idea about Fergie Jenkins but poking around on the innerwebs and reading about him....my conclusion: fuck MLB.

I got plenty of other sports to watch other than a slow moving, non contact endeavor which prides itself on tradition while being a bunch of hypocritical jackholes.

No offense meant to those that like baseball, as I am sure there are equally obnoxious statements that can be made about auto racing, but the one thing that baseball has going for it - tradition, code of conduct, unwritten rules, quirkiness - has fallen apart.
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Re: D-Day's Reds Thread

Postby D-Day » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:27 am

No-hitter for Homer Bailey. His second in less than a year and only a walk away from a perfecto. Dude was dealing last night........

Quote of the night on Fox Sports Ohio

Interviewer: What did you think coming in the eight
Bailey: I fucking just walked a guy

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Re: D-Day's Reds Thread

Postby D-Day » Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:06 pm

Watching Jeremy Bonderman pitch against the Reds. Although he's down 4-3 he's looked good through 4.2 innings.

Edit: The Reds just touched him up for 2 more......
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Re: D-Day's Reds Thread

Postby The Suburban Avenger » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:25 pm

Not the greatest night of Johnny Cueto's career.

Now you can throw it all behind the Tigers. They might need it.
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Re: D-Day's Reds Thread

Postby D-Day » Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:16 pm

The Suburban Avenger wrote:Not the greatest night of Johnny Cueto's career.

Now you can throw it all behind the Tigers. They might need it.


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Re: D-Day's Reds Thread

Postby caseyc » Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:05 pm

D-Day wrote:
The Suburban Avenger wrote:Not the greatest night of Johnny Cueto's career.

Now you can throw it all behind the Tigers. They might need it.


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I like the Reds as a secondary team, but it's hard for me to get very emotionally invested in them. Votto having only 74 RBI's is just plain bizarre.
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Re: D-Day's Reds Thread

Postby D-Day » Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:17 pm

caseyc wrote:
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The Suburban Avenger wrote:Not the greatest night of Johnny Cueto's career.

Now you can throw it all behind the Tigers. They might need it.


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I like the Reds as a secondary team, but it's hard for me to get very emotionally invested in them. Votto having only 74 RBI's is just plain bizarre.


Same here. I like the Reds, but my loyalties definitely lie to the north up I-75. Votto walked a LOT this year, and the whole team sucked ass with runners in scoring position
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Re: D-Day's Reds Thread

Postby D-Day » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:29 am

Brian Price, former pitching coach iuf the Cincinnati Reds, now manager of the Cinicinnati Reds

I thought it would Chris Speier (someone who the Tigers might look at), but me likey this promotion/hire. The one thing the Reds have done since he's been here is pitch, and the one thing Brian Price can do is manage pitchers, which was Dusty's main fault
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Re: D-Day's Reds Thread

Postby The Suburban Avenger » Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:22 am

D-Day wrote:Brian Price, former pitching coach iuf the Cincinnati Reds, now manager of the Cinicinnati Reds

I thought it would Chris Speier (someone who the Tigers might look at), but me likey this promotion/hire. The one thing the Reds have done since he's been here is pitch, and the one thing Brian Price can do is manage pitchers, which was Dusty's main fault


Sounds like he's also a lot more in touch with modern baseball analysis, another thing Dusty was no damned good at.
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Re: D-Day's Reds Thread

Postby D-Day » Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:41 am

This is awesome. Happened this week at GABP

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Re: D-Day's Reds Thread

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I saw that last night. He should get fined for that. You can't put your hands on another person at any time, let alone a fan. My thought has always been that as a fan, if I'm in the first row, I won't come onto your side of the fence to get a ball so don't come onto my side for one either. I don't want your stupid ass diving into my lap, possibly injuring me, or more importantly, spilling my beer and if you have the right to expect me to stay off the playing field, I should be able to expect the player to stay off of my territory as the fan. Of course, this all only pertains to visiting players. Home team players will be welcomed with padded pillows to cushion the fall.
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