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Re: 2012 Detroit Tigers

Postby Roquefort Robert » Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:53 pm

Heywood McCrakin wrote:What a dumb fucking move.

Sign a first baseman when we already have an all star 1st baseman.....


Heywood McCrakin doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
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Re: 2012 Detroit Tigers

Postby Roquefort Robert » Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:55 pm

Doctor Detroit wrote:Mulligan and Heywood's poo-pooing has been stored and shall be brought back at that time deemed most effective for ridicule.


Is that time now? I mean they won the division and the won the league. So they didn't win the WS, I still consider it a successful season.
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Re: 2012 Detroit Tigers

Postby Roquefort Robert » Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:59 pm

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Doctor Detroit wrote:5th starter speculation? I think Jacob Turner is a whole bunch of empty hype. The Tigers have kept his virtual value real high, and whenever talk of a trade comes up, people act like he could be traded as part of a deal for some high caliber major league player. Haven't seen it in his appearances last year, or in Spring Training. I watched Crosby pitch today, and he was a train wreck. My guess is it ends up being Oliver. Don't really know much about the other 2 supposed candidates.


I disagree about Turner. From what I've seen, he looks like a young Verlander. Not that he's going to be the next JV but I can see the potential. Apparently he's got a bit of a sore arm at the moment but keep this in mind...he's only 20 years old. Just a couple years ago he was pitching to high schoolers so he's got some work ahead of him but the talent is there.

Agreed about Crosby, though. He looked like dog shit.


I think it's still a little early on this one but the early returns are favoring DD.
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Re: 2012 Detroit Tigers

Postby Roquefort Robert » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:10 am

The Suburban Avenger wrote:PREDICTION TIME!

The division is so bad and the Tigers hit well enough that they pop champagne Aug. 27. Cabrera hits what you'd expect him to hit and nobody minds the 21 errors at third. Fielder doesn't hit as high as he normally does, but, no matter, he still drives in 120 runs. Delmon Young does not hit as well as expected, but Boesch, in a walk year, makes up for it. Verlander is Verlander, Fister isn't as sharp as we hope but Porcello makes some nice strides. Bullpen is fine.

Division champs: Yankees, Tigers, Angels. Rangers defeat Rays for Wild Card.
Angels defeat Tigers, Yankees top Rangers, Angels make World Series and beat the Giants (yes, I know SI made the same prediction, but it makes sense).

David Price wins the Cy Young, Evan Longoria is a surprise MVP winner.


Way off on the champagne date.

13 errors, we'll call it a push because he did hit what we expect him to hit.

Fielder hit better than normal, but only batted in 108.

Boesch didn't make up for shit and Porcello didn't make any strides (but I still would take him as a #4-5 starter).

Bullpen was mostly fine for most of the year, terrible for parts
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Re: 2012 Detroit Tigers

Postby Doctor Detroit » Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:32 am

Roquefort Robert wrote:
Doctor Detroit wrote:Mulligan and Heywood's poo-pooing has been stored and shall be brought back at that time deemed most effective for ridicule.


Is that time now? I mean they won the division and the won the league. So they didn't win the WS, I still consider it a successful season.


Mulligan's criticism was more long-term as far as Fielder's contract, so I don't know that full ridicule is acceptable yet. Heywood was just being dumb, so ridicule away.


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Roquefort Robert wrote:
Doctor Detroit wrote:5th starter speculation? I think Jacob Turner is a whole bunch of empty hype. The Tigers have kept his virtual value real high, and whenever talk of a trade comes up, people act like he could be traded as part of a deal for some high caliber major league player. Haven't seen it in his appearances last year, or in Spring Training. I watched Crosby pitch today, and he was a train wreck. My guess is it ends up being Oliver. Don't really know much about the other 2 supposed candidates.


I disagree about Turner. From what I've seen, he looks like a young Verlander. Not that he's going to be the next JV but I can see the potential. Apparently he's got a bit of a sore arm at the moment but keep this in mind...he's only 20 years old. Just a couple years ago he was pitching to high schoolers so he's got some work ahead of him but the talent is there.

Agreed about Crosby, though. He looked like dog shit.


I think it's still a little early on this one but the early returns are favoring DD.


Yeah, we need an actual season of Turner in a starting lineup to put this one to rest.
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Re: 2012 Detroit Tigers

Postby The Suburban Avenger » Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:21 am

Roquefort Robert wrote:
The Suburban Avenger wrote:PREDICTION TIME!

The division is so bad and the Tigers hit well enough that they pop champagne Aug. 27. Cabrera hits what you'd expect him to hit and nobody minds the 21 errors at third. Fielder doesn't hit as high as he normally does, but, no matter, he still drives in 120 runs. Delmon Young does not hit as well as expected, but Boesch, in a walk year, makes up for it. Verlander is Verlander, Fister isn't as sharp as we hope but Porcello makes some nice strides. Bullpen is fine.

Division champs: Yankees, Tigers, Angels. Rangers defeat Rays for Wild Card.
Angels defeat Tigers, Yankees top Rangers, Angels make World Series and beat the Giants (yes, I know SI made the same prediction, but it makes sense).

David Price wins the Cy Young, Evan Longoria is a surprise MVP winner.


Way off on the champagne date.

13 errors, we'll call it a push because he did hit what we expect him to hit.

Fielder hit better than normal, but only batted in 108.

Boesch didn't make up for shit and Porcello didn't make any strides (but I still would take him as a #4-5 starter).

Bullpen was mostly fine for most of the year, terrible for parts


But I had the Giants in the World Series! (thump ... a little, I guess)
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Re: 2012 Detroit Tigers

Postby Ya Mar » Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:24 pm

Roquefort Robert wrote:
Ya Mar wrote:
The Beav wrote:I still think Jackson needs one more year to figure out how to be a leadoff guy - and to figure out how to hit. If he cannot, then you get rid of him. Centerfield is not a position where a team can hide a no bat, all glove guy. I think he will add another 10-15 sbs next year, another 5-7 HRs, his strikeouts will drop by 40, and his OBP will climb 30-40 points. Look at what Granderson did between 2006 and 2007. If he can't do that, then there is no reason to have him in the lineup at all, in my humble opinion.


You would have been right if you would have said 10 less SBs, spot on with HRs, he exceeded your expectations on the Ks and OBP. Good prognosticating.

Thanks.

Although from your phrank, it looks as though thebeav was the one who said that and not yours truly...
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Re: 2012 Detroit Tigers

Postby Ya Mar » Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:33 pm

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Victor Martinez is out for most, if not all, of the coming season after tearing a knee ligament.

Carlos Pena, anyone? Can't imagine them ponying up the kind of dough Prince Fielder would want ... and can't imagine Prince Fielder wanting to play here, either.
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Re: 2012 Detroit Tigers

Postby Ya Mar » Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:39 pm

Ya Mar wrote:
Mulligan wrote:
Heywood McCrakin wrote:What a dumb fucking move.

Sign a first baseman when we already have an all star 1st baseman.....


I agree. The Tigers already have too many players who can't run or play defense. Nine years is a loooong time for a guy with Fielder's commitment to fitness. My prediction is that a decade from now this will be viewed as a giant bust.


That's a joke, right? Fielder is durable and in great shape - regardless of his weight. He is a vegitarian for chrissakes...

You have him for 9 years. 27-36. Rather take that than a 31-41 y/o pujols. Deal with Martinez next year. Cabrera is even better protected than he was last year. Crazy.

80 HRs and 250 RBIs for their 4 and 5 (or 3-4) hitters. Un-freakin-believable.



Actual: 162 games (again)
Combined HRs: 77
Combined RBI: 247

I admit I got the 4 and 5 hitter part wrong.
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Re: 2012 Detroit Tigers

Postby Ya Mar » Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:45 pm

Here's a highlight from the 2012 thread...

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Re: 2012 Detroit Tigers

Postby Ya Mar » Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:07 pm

One last one, and then I am done...

This is where I almost changed the outcome of the world series -- at the last second i pulled my hand back instead of grabbing Young's double that was a live ball...

Tiger's would've had 2nd and 3rd with no outs --instead fielder got gunned down at the plated.
I would've gotten tossed and had my ass kicked by giant's fans - and also would've been victimized by Tiger fans who would've thought fielder would score. In hindsight, I wish I had grabbed it...
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Re: 2012 Detroit Tigers

Postby Ya Mar » Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:10 am

Well SA was right about Cy Young. So Cy Young and Giants in WS. Not too bad...
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Re: 2012 Detroit Tigers

Postby Mulligan » Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:21 am

I can't remember the last time I read a Mitch Albom column, but when I saw the headline "Miggy's award a win for fans, defeat for stats geeks" I had to click. I would say at this point the Free Press' Mitch Albom is doing a better Albom parody than even HFD's Mitch Albom.

http://www.freep.com/article/20121116/C ... |FRONTPAGE
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Re: 2012 Detroit Tigers

Postby The Beav » Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:22 pm

Mulligan wrote:I can't remember the last time I read a Mitch Albom column, but when I saw the headline "Miggy's award a win for fans, defeat for stats geeks" I had to click. I would say at this point the Free Press' Mitch Albom is doing a better Albom parody than even HFD's Mitch Albom.

http://www.freep.com/article/20121116/C ... |FRONTPAGE


I hate to admit it, but I agree with his view about the stat geeks. Woodward's Freud can suck it. He's been insufferable since Nate Silver picked the election. WAR is a made up, just like most of my personae on this board.
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Re: 2012 Detroit Tigers

Postby Mulligan » Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:33 pm

Roquefort Robert wrote:
Roquefort Robert wrote:
Doctor Detroit wrote:5th starter speculation? I think Jacob Turner is a whole bunch of empty hype. The Tigers have kept his virtual value real high, and whenever talk of a trade comes up, people act like he could be traded as part of a deal for some high caliber major league player. Haven't seen it in his appearances last year, or in Spring Training. I watched Crosby pitch today, and he was a train wreck. My guess is it ends up being Oliver. Don't really know much about the other 2 supposed candidates.


I disagree about Turner. From what I've seen, he looks like a young Verlander. Not that he's going to be the next JV but I can see the potential. Apparently he's got a bit of a sore arm at the moment but keep this in mind...he's only 20 years old. Just a couple years ago he was pitching to high schoolers so he's got some work ahead of him but the talent is there.

Agreed about Crosby, though. He looked like dog shit.


I think it's still a little early on this one but the early returns are favoring DD.


The debate is back on!

Turner made his first MLB start of the season last night and broke Miami's nine-game losing streak. His line:
7 IP
5 H
1 BB
3 K
0 R

Nothing impressive about his AAA stats this year: 10 starts, 4.47 ERA, 1.296 WHIP, 5.6 K/9. Of course, he was pitching in the offense-wacky PCL.
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