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Re: 2012 Detroit Lions season

Postby The Suburban Avenger » Fri Nov 23, 2012 1:51 pm

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The Suburban Avenger wrote:Once more: Jim Schwartz is more hat than cattle.



What they do the rest of the season will reveal a lot. It's not looking good.


In hindsight, I wonder why they tried for the field goal in overtime on third down. An extra yard or two couldn't have hurt.
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Re: 2012 Detroit Lions season

Postby Andy » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:35 pm

The Suburban Avenger wrote:
Andy wrote:
The Suburban Avenger wrote:Once more: Jim Schwartz is more hat than cattle.



What they do the rest of the season will reveal a lot. It's not looking good.


In hindsight, I wonder why they tried for the field goal in overtime on third down. An extra yard or two couldn't have hurt.


Seems like they got real scared once they got into Hanson's range. They ran the ball twice and barely got back to the line of scrimmage each time.

Not the kind of attitude that's gonna win you a game.

They'll probably get the last place schedule next year. If they can't go at least 9-7 and stay in the hunt it's tough to defend anyone on that staff.
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Re: 2012 Detroit Lions season

Postby The Suburban Avenger » Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:02 pm

Andy wrote:
The Suburban Avenger wrote:
Andy wrote:
The Suburban Avenger wrote:Once more: Jim Schwartz is more hat than cattle.



What they do the rest of the season will reveal a lot. It's not looking good.


In hindsight, I wonder why they tried for the field goal in overtime on third down. An extra yard or two couldn't have hurt.


Seems like they got real scared once they got into Hanson's range. They ran the ball twice and barely got back to the line of scrimmage each time.

Not the kind of attitude that's gonna win you a game.

They'll probably get the last place schedule next year. If they can't go at least 9-7 and stay in the hunt it's tough to defend anyone on that staff.


I would think that's where things are heading. Unless they show up to a game without pants, I'd think Schwartz, Linehan and Cunningham all will be back next season.
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Re: 2012 Detroit Lions season

Postby The Beav » Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:58 pm

The Suburban Avenger wrote:
Andy wrote:
The Suburban Avenger wrote:
Andy wrote:
The Suburban Avenger wrote:Once more: Jim Schwartz is more hat than cattle.



What they do the rest of the season will reveal a lot. It's not looking good.


In hindsight, I wonder why they tried for the field goal in overtime on third down. An extra yard or two couldn't have hurt.


Seems like they got real scared once they got into Hanson's range. They ran the ball twice and barely got back to the line of scrimmage each time.

Not the kind of attitude that's gonna win you a game.

They'll probably get the last place schedule next year. If they can't go at least 9-7 and stay in the hunt it's tough to defend anyone on that staff.


I would think that's where things are heading. Unless they show up to a game without pants, I'd think Schwartz, Linehan and Cunningham all will be back next season.


Considering the team's coach's past discretions, that is a distinct a possibility.
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Re: 2012 Detroit Lions season

Postby Andy » Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:05 pm

Just as the popular conceptions of their home city go, the Detroit Lions are an outdated relic from an era gone by. Both have been squeezed financially by changing economic situations in their respective realms, conditions that have forced each to compete with antiquated setups for too long. The Lions had the misfortune of being catastrophically terrible under incompetent management for many years, and although they were finally placed in a situation where they could recover from that burden, their opportunity came at precisely the wrong time in history. Jim Schwartz's team is perpetually pinned to the backs of their head coach and his three best players, and when they're not all up to the task, heartbreaking losses like Thanksgiving's loss to the Texans seem to ensue far too frequently.

The new era of these Lions came of age at the very tail end of the last collective bargaining agreement, a deal that pushed rookie salaries to the brink of professional sanity. Running counter to the rest of American sports, where rookies are often drastically underpaid and represent the largest value proposition in each respective sport's marketplace, NFL rookies were making exorbitant sums of money before ever playing an NFL down. When the Lions drafted Matthew Stafford with the first overall pick in the 2009 draft and signed him to a six-year deal, the $41.7 million that he was guaranteed from the deal was a record total. Not a rookie record. Not a quarterback record. An NFL record. Stafford has turned out to be competent at worst, but seventh on that list of record contracts at the time was the $31.5 million guaranteed to JaMarcus Russell, who went first overall the previous year while residing in a similar guarantee neighborhood with Tony Romo and Peyton Manning. Economic studies showed that the first overall pick was actually the least valuable selection in the first round.

The good news is that the league's new CBA, implemented for the contracts signed by players taken in the 2011 draft and beyond, actually provides a relatively reasonable framework for valuing rookies. Andrew Luck will make $22.1 million guaranteed for four years, a deal that strikes a balance between the ridiculous guarantees of yesteryear and the league minimum salaries bestowed on baseball draftees during their first three years in the majors.1

The bad news, though, is that the Lions were the last team to be truly hit by the loser's curse of perennially grabbing top-five picks under the old CBA. The rookie contracts of Detroit's big three — Stafford, Calvin Johnson, and Ndamukong Suh — produced about $108 million in combined guarantees on the day they were drafted. If a team like the Colts had three top-five picks in three years today, those picks would only cost about $60 million in guarantees and have far less onerous terms at the end of the (shorter) contracts. When the final year of Johnson's deal tied the Lions up with a $24 million cap hold this offseason and threatened to create a situation in which the Lions wouldn't have been able to franchise2 Johnson the following year, they were stuck with no leverage and forced to give Megatron a deal that guaranteed him $60 million, a 20 percent jump on the guaranteed cash given to previous record receiver Larry Fitzgerald. The extensions that Stafford and Suh are likely to receive in the near future will likely be of similar size, guaranteeing Detroit's stars around $180 million while preventing the Lions from building up the rest of their roster. Because those three players take up such a disproportionate amount of Detroit's cap, it's incumbent upon them to produce at a high level every time out. Johnson showed up on Thursday, but Suh, Stafford, and their head coach weren't quite as impressive.

If you had the sound turned on Thanksgiving morning during that Lions-Texans game, you undoubtedly heard Phil Simms gushing about Stafford's ability to throw from virtually a sidearm slot, an arm angle that Stafford used on most of his passes on Thursday. Combined with a propensity for making throws off of his back foot, Stafford's been able to release passes quickly, compensating for a lack of traditional windup with his raw arm strength.3 Unfortunately, in doing so, Stafford sacrifices accuracy, especially on deep passes. His completion percentage and yards per attempt are both noticeably down this year, and with Megatron around, league-average just isn't enough.

Stafford mixed big plays on Thursday with disappointing misses. His most notable impact, however, was when he failed on a pair of subtle plays that often get lauded as ones that skip the stat sheet. During the fourth quarter, Stafford failed to protect his seven-point lead by making a pair of situational blunders. In each case, his offense was facing a third-down play from the Houston 36-yard line. An incompletion would give the Lions the option to take a 53-yard field goal, one that would be on the very edges of Jason Hanson's functional range as a kicker. A short checkdown, even one that didn't have a prayer of turning into a first down, would have been enough to create a reasonable field goal opportunity for the veteran Lions kicker. Outside of a turnover, the worst thing Stafford could do was take a sack that pushed the Lions out of field goal range and forced them to punt. Amazingly, that's what happened both times, with J.J. Watt producing huge sacks on both occasions. Had Stafford picked up even four yards on either of the two third-down plays, the Lions would have been able to take a 49-yarder that Hanson would have had a prayer of hitting, one that would have pushed them up 10 points and forced the Texans into full-on desperation mode. Instead, the Texans were able to get the ball back on punts in each case and scored on their second drive, tying the game up at 31-all. It was a huge mental mistake, one that significantly harmed Detroit's chances of keeping their lead.

You often hear announcers talk about those plays as something mysterious and unquantifiable, but the truth is that they're just as easy to count as any other. I had anecdotally referred to Sam Bradford as the king of those sacks-out-of-field-goal-range for a while now, even calling them Bradfords, but Stafford taking two of them in the fourth quarter of one key game made me question myself. Was Stafford really the king of those sacks? I went back and used the wonderful Pro-Football-Reference.com play index to figure it out. I took every quarterback's passes from 2000 to 2012 (not including Sunday's games) and analyzed what they did in two-score games4 on third down between the 25-yard line and the 36-yard line of the opposition.

As it turns out, Stafford doesn't have a track record for taking that sort of sack. In fact, his two sacks in the fourth quarter were the first time he'd ever taken such a range-defeating sack as a pro, having managed to avoid them in his previous 31 third-down dropbacks. Bradford was way up there, thanks to five sacks on just 32 dropbacks; his 15.6 percent takedown clip was the second-highest rate for any passer with 30 dropbacks or more on third down in field goal range, trailing only the statue commonly confused for Ben Roethlisberger:

Player Dropbacks Sacks Sack Rate
Ben Roethlisberger 128 22 17.2%
Sam Bradford 32 5 15.6%
Michael Vick 76 11 14.5%
Kordell Stewart 37 5 13.5%
Marc Bulger 84 10 11.9%
Vince Young 42 5 11.9%
Alex Smith 62 7 11.3%
David Carr 63 7 11.1%
Kyle Boller 54 6 11.1%
Kyle Orton 56 6 10.7%
Chad Pennington 75 8 10.7%

The quarterbacks on the other side of the coin were a group of people you would expect to avoid the sack through sheer talent (Drew Brees, Peyton Manning) and a few that you would mostly be confused by (Byron Leftwich, Joey Harrington, Brian Griese). Josh Freeman currently has gone 45 passes in that situation without being sacked once, an impressive feat that's unlikely to continue happening forever. With the evidence for Stafford consisting of one game of misadventures, I'm still calling this one a Bradford.

Suh's calamity was more sinister. Having earned a two-game suspension by stomping on Packers guard Even Dietrich-Smith during last Thanksgiving's festivities, Suh attracted notoriety this year by seemingly reaching out and kicking Houston quarterback Matt Schaub in the groin as Suh tumbled to the ground. While appearing to be an accident upon first view, each shot and angle of the kick made it look worse and worse. At the time of writing, rumors are swirling that Suh will be suspended Monday for the second consecutive year. Lions fans have tried to defend Suh's kick as accidental, but at what point do we all agree that this isn't a coincidence? How many other players have visibly stamped on an opposing player while trying to leave the scene over the past two years? How many have "accidentally," unexpectedly delivered a rolling koppo kick to the groin of an opposing quarterback? How many have done both? It hardly seems fair to chalk up both incidents to mere chance.

The real disappointment came when Schwartz threw the challenge flag on a bizarre touchdown run by Justin Forsett. You've seen the play by now. Forsett's knee clearly goes down, the referee never sees it and allows Forsett to score, and Schwartz instantly throws the challenge flag out, incurring a 15-yard penalty while wiping out the guaranteed review from the booth.

Of course, the rule is dumb. The spirit of the rule was to avoid giving coaches a way to badger referees into talking to them while their assistants got extra time to look at replays upstairs, but the application here was clearly small-minded and insipid. It's also the referees' fault for failing to notice that Forsett was down. That's all fair, but even after all of it, Schwartz fails at his job by throwing the flag and costing his team the review. He has to know the rules and act accordingly. While the rule is disappointing, it's not exactly obscure, either: Falcons head coach Mike Smith received a similar penalty last weekend for throwing the challenge flag on a Cardinals fumble recovery that was then never reviewed. Forsett's touchdown ended up being enough to get the game pushed into overtime, where the Texans and Lions each traded missed field goals before the Texans finally grabbed a game-winner.

Schwartz admitted after the game that he knew the rule and had a mental lapse, which seems to coincide with the lapses exhibited by two of his three star players. Although Johnson remains arguably the best receiver in football, Stafford's taking a step backward and Suh's reliving his discipline nightmare from a year ago. Detroit's season may already be done at 4-7, but Schwartz needs to get more out of his Big Three to get them back into the playoffs in 2013. The Lions simply don't have a way to succeed if he doesn't, and if Schwartz can't, the Lions are likely to try to find somebody else who can get their stars to live up to their price tags.

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Re: 2012 Detroit Lions season

Postby The Suburban Avenger » Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:20 pm

Smooth move, Ex-Lax:

Detroit Lions wide receiver Titus Young met with the media today for the first time since he was sent home from the practice facility last week, but he didn’t have much to say.

Young fielded nine questions, ignoring one and giving eight one-sentence answers before the session was cut off by a Lions spokesperson.

Young was benched for the final series of the Lions’ Nov. 18 loss to the Green Bay Packers after he purposely lined up incorrectly on multiple occasions and yelled at receivers coach Shawn Jefferson coming off the field.

Jefferson declined to comment on that incident and Young, in general, today.

But team captain Dominic Raiola blasted Young in an interview with the Detroit News (a few adjective expletives have been edited out).

"It's not a distraction because we have moved on from him," Raiola said. "If he wants to be an a------, let him be an a------. It's not my problem. What we can control is the guys who want to be here. I want people who want to be here, and I think everybody else wants the same thing.

"If you don't want to be here, then leave."

Raiola said he has "no idea" why Young is disgruntled.

"We've got the best player in the world over there (in Calvin Johnson)," Raiola said. "He should look no further than that to know how to act. If you are going to act like that, you are done."

Meanwhile, here was Young’s exchange with reporters:

Q. What led to your absence from the team for last week’s loss to the Houston Texans?

A. “Well, what happens in house stays in house.”

Q. Are you disappointed you’ve been sent home from the facility twice in six months?

A. “Well, I just made my comment on that whole situation."

Q. How are you progressing this week to get back in the playing mix?

A. “Well."

Q. Do you expect to play Sunday?

A. “Well, that’s all in God’s hands.”

Q. Lions coach Jim Schwartz said you need to be more accountable, is this part of that?

A. “Well, you have to talk to Coach about that.”

Q. What would you say to fans who wonder if they can trust you again?

A. “Well, I’m not here to talk about that past.”

Q. Do you understand why people are curious about your situation?

A. “I didn’t get the question."

(The question was repeated, and Young, who wore sunglasses and a stocking cap during the interview, did not respond.)

Q. Are you disappointed in yourself?

A. “I’m not here to comment about the past.”


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Re: 2012 Detroit Lions season

Postby Andy » Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:42 am

Schaub told a Houston radio station on Monday that Suh was not "Houston Texan-worthy," a statement Cunningham scoffed at.

"What is a Texan, anyhow?" Cunningham said, according to the Free Press. "You never make derogatory statements about another player and another team. If you say that, then say it behind closed doors and keep it that way. But you don't come out in the paper and start saying things like that.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/86960 ... ton-texans


Ok, that's kinda funny.
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Re: 2012 Detroit Lions season

Postby Andy » Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:09 pm

When Bill Ford Sr. finally dies, the collective "Huh, oh well." from this region will be deafening.
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Re: 2012 Detroit Lions season

Postby The Suburban Avenger » Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:12 pm

I had the game on the radio while I was driving back from the movies. I just started laughing when they scored on the last play.

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Re: 2012 Detroit Lions season

Postby Andy » Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:11 pm

Now that I've simmered down I guess it's for the best: Pad the stats and play for the draft pick.
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Re: 2012 Detroit Lions season

Postby Andy » Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:23 pm

According to STATS LLC's research going back to 1983, the Lions are the first team to lose three home games after leading with two minutes remaining. They are the third team since 1940 to lose three straight home games when carrying a lead into the fourth quarter.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2012 ... z2Dwa1bzFA
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Re: 2012 Detroit Lions season

Postby Andy » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:37 am

Andy wrote:
According to STATS LLC's research going back to 1983, the Lions are the first team to lose three home games after leading with two minutes remaining. They are the third team since 1940 to lose three straight home games when carrying a lead into the fourth quarter.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2012 ... z2Dwa1bzFA




The Lions became the first NFL team since the 2000 San Diego Chargers to lose three consecutive games they led with 2 minutes remaining in regulation, according to STATS LLC. They're only the third team in NFL history to lose three straight home games by blowing fourth-quarter leads, according to the Elias Sports Bureau.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2012 ... z2Dz4P6sVY


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Re: 2012 Detroit Lions season

Postby Andy » Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:02 am

Heading into the season, if there was a player you expected to suffer an injury among the Lions wide receivers, it was Calvin Johnson.

Not so fast.

Sure, he's had knee, finger, ankle and foot issues, but Johnson has been the healthiest wide receiver on the team despite being on the cover of "Madden NFL 13."

The other receivers on the roster in Week 1 — Nate Burleson (broken leg), Titus Young (knee) and Ryan Broyles (knee) — are on injured reserve, and the team will count on a slew of new faces the rest of the season.

"I think the Madden curse affected everybody else," Burleson said. "He reversed the curse."



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Re: 2012 Detroit Lions season

Postby The Suburban Avenger » Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:53 pm

$15.99 gets you the 2013 Lions wall calendar, which features cover boy Titus Young!

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Aaron Berry is Mr. January and Jahvid Best and Kyle Vanden Bosch, neither of whom will be wearing blue and silver in 2013, also get their own months.
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Re: 2012 Detroit Lions season

Postby The Suburban Avenger » Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:23 pm

Man, that game sucked.

There will be plenty of people wearing empty-seat jerseys Saturday night. I didn't think this was a Super Bowl team before the season started, but 4-12? Wow.
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