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Re: HFD Memo of the Day

Postby thunderstruck » Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:41 pm

The Beav wrote:More war against unions and the middle class, while the rich get richer. I totally believe that the retribution against unions for their support of Schauer will last until the next generation. I fully expect to be a laid off public school teacher in the next two years due to surgically precise cuts to education in this state.

That's some post-election frustrated hyperbole. Today's unions are an anachronism that fit the economy 50 years ago but are a poor fit for today's economy. Public unions allow inefficiency and sub-par performance to survive and drive out innovation and high achievement. Add that to the fact that the traditional labor-management adversarial roles become co-dependent when Democrats support unions and unions support Democrats, and its clear to me that public employee unions need to go away.

Look at all the turmoil caused by over-generous pension and healthcare plans, early retirement ages and the ever-increasing cost of healthcare, not to mention longer life expectancies. Politicians gave away the store, knowing they wouldn't be held accountable 30 years down the line, and it would get them union member votes and union campaign contributions. When companies acted that imprudently, they paid for it with their corporate lives. They went bankrupt, their shareholders lost everything, the company vanished or was reconstituted with new funds from new owners and their employees' pensions took a big hit.

With government employees' pensions, even in bankruptcy, there's always the taxpayer to squeeze for more taxes or reduced services. In my local schools, class sizes have gone up, librarians have been laid off, music teachers have been cut, pay-to-play fees have increased, bus transportation has been reduced, field trips have been cancelled, parents are asked to supply things the district should supply, and good but low-senority teachers have been let go. All of which affects the kids.

What hasn't been hit as much are salaries, benefits and pensions. While there have been some cuts is those areas in some years, it's nothing compared to what has happened to the private sector. When push comes to shove, the teacher's union and school board have worked to preserve the compensation packages of the adults at the expense of the kids' education. Even in the heart of the recession, when companies were laying off employees and slashing pay and benefits, our districts' teacher took a 1% cut (but kept the step increases). All the intital cuts were to things directly affecting the kids and parents (class size, buses, library, music, sports).

They could have broomed some expensive but ineffective teachers and admins, and even played hardball with the compensation packages across the board (where was a Michigan teacher going to go in 2009, with an underwater house and good salary/benefits especially compared to our low cost of living?), but they did what they always do. So things like RTW are an attempt to rebalance the equation. The market will work things out in the private sector, as most heavily unionized businesses have gone out of business or restructured to a more sustainable union relationship.
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Re: HFD Memo of the Day

Postby Mulligan » Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:18 pm

thunderstruck wrote:Today's unions are an anachronism that fit the economy 50 years ago but are a poor fit for today's economy.


Fifty years ago there was a more even distribution of wealth and income, and gains were made by the middle class. That is a poor fit for today's economy.
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Re: HFD Memo of the Day

Postby The Beav » Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:27 pm

thunderstruck wrote:
The Beav wrote:More war against unions and the middle class, while the rich get richer. I totally believe that the retribution against unions for their support of Schauer will last until the next generation. I fully expect to be a laid off public school teacher in the next two years due to surgically precise cuts to education in this state.

That's some post-election frustrated hyperbole. Today's unions are an anachronism that fit the economy 50 years ago but are a poor fit for today's economy. Public unions allow inefficiency and sub-par performance to survive and drive out innovation and high achievement. Add that to the fact that the traditional labor-management adversarial roles become co-dependent when Democrats support unions and unions support Democrats, and its clear to me that public employee unions need to go away.

Look at all the turmoil caused by over-generous pension and healthcare plans, early retirement ages and the ever-increasing cost of healthcare, not to mention longer life expectancies. Politicians gave away the store, knowing they wouldn't be held accountable 30 years down the line, and it would get them union member votes and union campaign contributions. When companies acted that imprudently, they paid for it with their corporate lives. They went bankrupt, their shareholders lost everything, the company vanished or was reconstituted with new funds from new owners and their employees' pensions took a big hit.

With government employees' pensions, even in bankruptcy, there's always the taxpayer to squeeze for more taxes or reduced services. In my local schools, class sizes have gone up, librarians have been laid off, music teachers have been cut, pay-to-play fees have increased, bus transportation has been reduced, field trips have been cancelled, parents are asked to supply things the district should supply, and good but low-senority teachers have been let go. All of which affects the kids.

What hasn't been hit as much are salaries, benefits and pensions. While there have been some cuts is those areas in some years, it's nothing compared to what has happened to the private sector. When push comes to shove, the teacher's union and school board have worked to preserve the compensation packages of the adults at the expense of the kids' education. Even in the heart of the recession, when companies were laying off employees and slashing pay and benefits, our districts' teacher took a 1% cut (but kept the step increases). All the intital cuts were to things directly affecting the kids and parents (class size, buses, library, music, sports).

They could have broomed some expensive but ineffective teachers and admins, and even played hardball with the compensation packages across the board (where was a Michigan teacher going to go in 2009, with an underwater house and good salary/benefits especially compared to our low cost of living?), but they did what they always do. So things like RTW are an attempt to rebalance the equation. The market will work things out in the private sector, as most heavily unionized businesses have gone out of business or restructured to a more sustainable union relationship.


That sounds like a bunch of Mackinac Center talking points to me.
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Re: HFD Memo of the Day

Postby Stosh Kielbasa » Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:38 pm

The Suburban Avenger wrote:
Stosh Kielbasa wrote:Delivering value for the dues money is important as well.


Absolutely.

But I never thought right-to-work had anything to do with private sector unions. The Big Three and their larger suppliers will happily negotiate with the UAW because it's good for business.

It's public employees the legislation targets, most notably teachers unions and the myriad AFSCME locals throughout the state.


Believe me, it's even more important in the private sector. You are dealing largely with a less educated workforce in the factories. Joe Lunchbucket may be happy that union dues are no longer required as a condition of employment, and happily tell the steward to kindly get fucked. He would never realize, or care, that his dues supports the whole Union framework. Teachers and unionized support staff are generally well educated, and know all too well what could come down if their union disappeared overnight.

I am afraid that the house of cards on Jefferson may be falling down shortly, unless there's a real, honest effort to reform the structure of that union.
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Re: HFD Memo of the Day

Postby Ansel Rakestraw » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:13 pm

The backstory:

The City leases two full blocks of retail space (that's 8 block faces) in downtown with more than 20 small spaces dedicated to local businesses. Previously the City owned the land, but sold it to a major employer that built the retail space which it leases to the City. The City then hires a retail manager to sublease the space to retail tenants. Part of this retail space management contract are two curb / sidewalk cut-ins (one on each block) to host food trucks M-Th. The trucks are the tenants of the City and park on either side of City hall.

The leasing manager emails us a list every Monday of the eight trucks scheduled for the week. We forward the list to all City Hall employees,

Today, this arrived:

The Law Department’s Ethics and Compliance Team has noticed e-mails recently being sent to City Hall employees using City e-mail addresses regarding food trucks in the vicinity. As public servants and employees of City government, please remember that City resources (including City e-mail) should only be used for municipal purposes and not to advertise private restaurants or food trucks.


Really?
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Re: HFD Memo of the Day

Postby guest » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:44 pm

Dude at Rosa Parks and the service drive bore more than a passing resemblance to Sir-Sir. His sign read "why lie / I need a beer".
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Re: HFD Memo of the Day

Postby Vow of Silence » Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:28 pm

guest wrote:Dude at Rosa Parks and the service drive bore more than a passing resemblance to Sir-Sir. His sign read "why lie / I need a beer".

Homebrew sounds very southern California with that. He'd get his beer out there. Here? Nah. Need to look pathetic and cold to reel in rubes in this town.
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Re: HFD Memo of the Day

Postby frank - up in grand blanc » Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:23 am

The memo won't be reproduced here for reasons that will soon be obvious, but the jist of it was a come-to-Jesus for all in the office re: the large industrial refrigerator in which the staff store their carry-out and bagged lunches. "You will not eat the food of others; you will use only company-approved baskets for storing your condiments; you will not allow things to expire; etc." All of the usual scolding to which we are regularly subjected re: workplace 'fridge etiquette.

And why this most recent fusillade? The big sliver monster (three doors wide) died, everything inside was lost, and hell broke loose.

So... why did it die? After a service call it turns out that it didn't die, but it was disabled, persumably by some careless member of the housekeeping staff or someone using power equipment in an unapproved place. The source of the disablement was described as a tripped breaker.

Not 100% about this BUT I'm thinking that the time last week when I was in at 6:30 AM and banged the top Fonzi-style a few times to stop the racket from the compressor on the roof of the 'fridge MIGHT have tripped a breaker. I do know that things got real quiet where there had been a horrible sound. Anyway, no one specific caught hell and, frankly, it's going to stay that way.

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Re: HFD Memo of the Day

Postby Toolbox » Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:08 pm

frank - up in grand blanc wrote:So... why did it die? After a service call it turns out that it didn't die, but it was disabled, persumably by some careless member of the housekeeping staff or someone using power equipment in an unapproved place. The source of the disablement was described as a tripped breaker.



You should propose a visual failsafe status monitor of a green light meaning all is good and a red light with non grating audible alarm. It is a pretty simple circuit to accomplish this. You might even get a thank you or extra bottle for a job well done.
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Re: HFD Memo of the Day

Postby frank - up in grand blanc » Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:03 pm

Toolbox wrote:
frank - up in grand blanc wrote:So... why did it die? After a service call it turns out that it didn't die, but it was disabled, persumably by some careless member of the housekeeping staff or someone using power equipment in an unapproved place. The source of the disablement was described as a tripped breaker.



You should propose a visual failsafe status monitor of a green light meaning all is good and a red light with non grating audible alarm. It is a pretty simple circuit to accomplish this. You might even get a thank you or extra bottle for a job well done.

They liked the idea! Nothing in it for me, though. From here on out I'm not fooling around with their shit.

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Re: HFD Memo of the Day

Postby Sterile Whites 48313 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:18 pm

frank - up in grand blanc wrote:
Toolbox wrote:
frank - up in grand blanc wrote:So... why did it die? After a service call it turns out that it didn't die, but it was disabled, persumably by some careless member of the housekeeping staff or someone using power equipment in an unapproved place. The source of the disablement was described as a tripped breaker.



You should propose a visual failsafe status monitor of a green light meaning all is good and a red light with non grating audible alarm. It is a pretty simple circuit to accomplish this. You might even get a thank you or extra bottle for a job well done.

They liked the idea! Nothing in it for me, though. From here on out I'm not fooling around with their shit.


Company refrigerators should be abolished...
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Re: HFD Memo of the Day

Postby jmy » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:59 am

Sterile Whites 48313 wrote:
frank - up in grand blanc wrote:
Toolbox wrote:
frank - up in grand blanc wrote:So... why did it die? After a service call it turns out that it didn't die, but it was disabled, persumably by some careless member of the housekeeping staff or someone using power equipment in an unapproved place. The source of the disablement was described as a tripped breaker.



You should propose a visual failsafe status monitor of a green light meaning all is good and a red light with non grating audible alarm. It is a pretty simple circuit to accomplish this. You might even get a thank you or extra bottle for a job well done.

They liked the idea! Nothing in it for me, though. From here on out I'm not fooling around with their shit.


Company refrigerators should be abolished...


Ours disappeared, which is fine since no one used it and it only harbored mold. I wish they'd disappear the microwave. I don't used it, but I hate smelling someone's leftover fried fish reheating at 9 am. Gah.
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Re: HFD Memo of the Day

Postby MICHIGAN » Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:54 pm

jmy wrote: I wish they'd disappear the microwave. I don't used it, but I hate smelling someone's leftover fried fish reheating at 9 am. Gah.


We are in 100% agreement.
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Re: HFD Memo of the Day

Postby RoryKasel » Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:07 pm

MICHIGAN wrote:
jmy wrote: I wish they'd disappear the microwave. I don't used it, but I hate smelling someone's leftover fried fish reheating at 9 am. Gah.


We are in 100% agreement.


I'm the Tuna Helper guy but it just doesn't taste as good now that I have my own microwave in my office and no longer use the communal one in the lunchroom.
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Re: HFD Memo of the Day

Postby ldodger » Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:24 am

MICHIGAN wrote:
jmy wrote: I wish they'd disappear the microwave. I don't used it, but I hate smelling someone's leftover fried fish reheating at 9 am. Gah.


We are in 100% agreement.


Same here. Every place I've worked or volunteered, the microwave has been a mess. People explode food in it all the time and no one ever cleans it up. My feeling is if people can't keep a microwave clean, then they shouldn't have it.
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