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But nobody is questioning the use of military in this endeavor

Military? What channel was he watching?

Get your facts straight.

The Conscience wrote:

But nobody is questioning the use of military in this endeavor

Military? What channel was he watching?

Get your facts straight.

I guess that he was mistakenly referring to the use of the National Guard units, but there was one Air Force officer in fatigues at the wrap up presser in Boston.

The Fickle Finger wrote:

The Conscience wrote:

But nobody is questioning the use of military in this endeavor

Military? What channel was he watching?

Get your facts straight.

I guess that he was mistakenly referring to the use of the National Guard units, but there was one Air Force officer in fatigues at the wrap up presser in Boston.

If it's in a uniform, it must be military. The World According to Gannon.

1) Terry stop
2) home-owners were asked for permission to search homes
3) private security cameras and the work of amateur photographers provided most of the evidence of the bombs' emplacement

So where is Big Brother and where is the trampling of the constitution?

frank - up in grand blanc wrote:1) Terry stop
2) home-owners were asked for permission to search homes
3) private security cameras and the work of amateur photographers provided most of the evidence of the bombs' emplacement

So where is Big Brother and where is the trampling of the constitution?

Am I seeing irony in government agents intercepting amateur photographers and making them delete their files?

guest wrote:

frank - up in grand blanc wrote:1) Terry stop
2) home-owners were asked for permission to search homes
3) private security cameras and the work of amateur photographers provided most of the evidence of the bombs' emplacement

So where is Big Brother and where is the trampling of the constitution?

Am I seeing irony in government agents intercepting amateur photographers and making them delete their files?

I'm not following. Did they?

frank - up in grand blanc wrote:

guest wrote:

frank - up in grand blanc wrote:1) Terry stop
2) home-owners were asked for permission to search homes
3) private security cameras and the work of amateur photographers provided most of the evidence of the bombs' emplacement

So where is Big Brother and where is the trampling of the constitution?

Am I seeing irony in government agents intercepting amateur photographers and making them delete their files?

I'm not following. Did they?

I've heard and read about urbex types, or sometimes more innocuous touristas, being hassled by feds over taking pics in public.

frank - up in grand blanc wrote:3) private security cameras and the work of amateur photographers provided most of the evidence of the bombs' emplacement

All the more reason we need CCTV cameras everywhere...we can't always count on private security and amateurs...we are here to "protect" you.

“Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”

But without the electric eye we'd not have the one unfriendly KIA,the second in irons, and pressure cooker #3 already done blown up. And better cameras might have spared the blameless Richard Jewel the shitstorm of accusations re: Centennial Park bombing. So where's the harm?

guest wrote:

frank - up in grand blanc wrote:

guest wrote:

frank - up in grand blanc wrote:1) Terry stop
2) home-owners were asked for permission to search homes
3) private security cameras and the work of amateur photographers provided most of the evidence of the bombs' emplacement

So where is Big Brother and where is the trampling of the constitution?

Am I seeing irony in government agents intercepting amateur photographers and making them delete their files?

I'm not following. Did they?

I've heard and read about urbex types, or sometimes more innocuous touristas, being hassled by feds over taking pics in public.

Or by Matty Maroun's goon squad.

guest wrote:

frank - up in grand blanc wrote:

guest wrote:

frank - up in grand blanc wrote:1) Terry stop
2) home-owners were asked for permission to search homes
3) private security cameras and the work of amateur photographers provided most of the evidence of the bombs' emplacement

So where is Big Brother and where is the trampling of the constitution?

Am I seeing irony in government agents intercepting amateur photographers and making them delete their files?

I'm not following. Did they?

I've heard and read about urbex types, or sometimes more innocuous touristas, being hassled by feds over taking pics in public.

While I did hear a few such stories like that immediately after 9/11, it tended to be from the types that always find themselves in trouble where a normal person with a shred of sense would not. IE; the same sort of person who might decide backpacking in Iran would be an awesome idea.

Sterile Whites 48313 wrote:

frank - up in grand blanc wrote:3) private security cameras and the work of amateur photographers provided most of the evidence of the bombs' emplacement

All the more reason we need CCTV cameras everywhere...we can't always count on private security and amateurs...we are here to "protect" you.

“Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”

There is no expectation of privacy in a public place. There is no abdication of a right when you didn't have it in the first place.

higgs1634 wrote:

Sterile Whites 48313 wrote:

frank - up in grand blanc wrote:3) private security cameras and the work of amateur photographers provided most of the evidence of the bombs' emplacement

All the more reason we need CCTV cameras everywhere...we can't always count on private security and amateurs...we are here to "protect" you.

“Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”

There is no expectation of privacy in a public place. There is no abdication of a right when you didn't have it in the first place.

You are correct Mr. Orwell...

Sterile Whites 48313 wrote:

higgs1634 wrote:

Sterile Whites 48313 wrote:

frank - up in grand blanc wrote:3) private security cameras and the work of amateur photographers provided most of the evidence of the bombs' emplacement

All the more reason we need CCTV cameras everywhere...we can't always count on private security and amateurs...we are here to "protect" you.

“Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”

There is no expectation of privacy in a public place. There is no abdication of a right when you didn't have it in the first place.

You are correct Mr. Orwell...

Nope. In Orwell's dystopia, PRIVATE places were monitored. That's the difference. Think Orwell's two-way telescreens. Also, CCTV cameras are not hidden or disguised, in most cases. We all know there are cameras on ATMs, and security cameras are generally made to be purposefully conspicuous to deter crime. In Orwell's world, they would either be disguised or called something other than a camera using doublespeak. Just because someone wrote a book involving privacy and cameras doesn't mean invoking his name ends an argument.

Brad Lexington wrote:

Sterile Whites 48313 wrote:

higgs1634 wrote:

Sterile Whites 48313 wrote:

frank - up in grand blanc wrote:3) private security cameras and the work of amateur photographers provided most of the evidence of the bombs' emplacement

All the more reason we need CCTV cameras everywhere...we can't always count on private security and amateurs...we are here to "protect" you.

“Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”

There is no expectation of privacy in a public place. There is no abdication of a right when you didn't have it in the first place.

You are correct Mr. Orwell...

Nope. In Orwell's dystopia, PRIVATE places were monitored. That's the difference. Think Orwell's two-way telescreens. Also, CCTV cameras are not hidden or disguised, in most cases. We all know there are cameras on ATMs, and security cameras are generally made to be purposefully conspicuous to deter crime. In Orwell's world, they would either be disguised or called something other than a camera using doublespeak. Just because someone wrote a book involving privacy and cameras doesn't mean invoking his name ends an argument.

Open your cable box....