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ldodger wrote:Shinola bikes aren't made here?

frank - up in grand blanc wrote:I looked at a Shinola but couldn't tell the difference.

The Suburban Avenger wrote:The Shinola Runwell, retails for about $550-700


The Timex Weekender, retails for $40-55


Spend an extra $25-40 for a nice leather band and I dare you to tell the difference from more than two feet away.

ldodger wrote:Shinola bikes aren't made here?

Waterford is a hand-builder of fine custom bicycle frames. Its factory is located in Waterford, Wisconsin, 30 miles southwest of downtown Milwaukee. Founded in 1993, Waterford took over Schwinn Bicycle Company’s Paramount Design Group research and production facility.

Founded by Richard Schwinn and Marc Muller, Waterford built on the Paramount history of excellence and performance and has established its own reputation the custom bicycle world.

Toolbox wrote:

ldodger wrote:Shinola bikes aren't made here?

Define "made".

They are assembled here from domestic and foreign parts. The frames come out of the old Schwinn Waterford plant, this was the facility that made the custom built Paramount bikes. Just like all the watch parts are made in various locations for final assembly in Detroit.

Waterford is a hand-builder of fine custom bicycle frames. Its factory is located in Waterford, Wisconsin, 30 miles southwest of downtown Milwaukee. Founded in 1993, Waterford took over Schwinn Bicycle Company’s Paramount Design Group research and production facility.

Founded by Richard Schwinn and Marc Muller, Waterford built on the Paramount history of excellence and performance and has established its own reputation the custom bicycle world.

I used to make bikes in Hazel Park and Rochester by the Shinola definition.

ldodger wrote:

Toolbox wrote:

ldodger wrote:Shinola bikes aren't made here?

Define "made".

They are assembled here from domestic and foreign parts. The frames come out of the old Schwinn Waterford plant, this was the facility that made the custom built Paramount bikes. Just like all the watch parts are made in various locations for final assembly in Detroit.

Waterford is a hand-builder of fine custom bicycle frames. Its factory is located in Waterford, Wisconsin, 30 miles southwest of downtown Milwaukee. Founded in 1993, Waterford took over Schwinn Bicycle Company’s Paramount Design Group research and production facility.

Founded by Richard Schwinn and Marc Muller, Waterford built on the Paramount history of excellence and performance and has established its own reputation the custom bicycle world.

I used to make bikes in Hazel Park and Rochester by the Shinola definition.

Well now, that's embarrassing. I thought all parts were created (wait, handcrafted) in Detroit. At least that was the impression all the hoopla has generated. I really thought there was a warehouse somewhere in Detroit with a bunch of folks "crafting" bike frames and whatnot. Seriously.

Our goal is to create Shinola products that are predominantly American made. Although a challenge today for numerous reasons, including the absence of at-scale American manufacturing for many of the components we need, we are working with like-minded partners to make it happen. At present, nearly all of our watchstraps, journals, and leather goods are sourced in the United States. Our watches and bicycles are 100% assembled in our Detroit factory with both domestic and internationally sourced components

frank - up in grand blanc wrote:I didn't know that about the bikes: I too was of the understanding that someone was forging parts right here (well, there) in Detroit.

This situation brings to mind the case of domestic content laws in foreign countries and how they were addressed by the Big Three. This is going back to the mid-90s, but I understood that Venezuela had a law to this effect, and Chrysler's work-around was to ship crates filled with kit cars for assembly by the locals. In other words there was really nothing manufactured in Venezuela that was needed or appropriate, so they'd let the natives perform the final steps of assembly. A few turns of the wrench by Jose and ta-da: a Venezuelan "made" Neon.

Kind of dispiriting to read that the watches are, to my eyes, only American in terms of the leatherwork. Like, who gives a shit about the leather? The precision work re: design, engineering, and manufacturing is where I'd expect the real value to be added. Welcome to New Venezuela, boys...

Sterile Whites 48313 wrote: And riddle me this, Shinola gets frame and fork tubing from Mississippi, yet we have plenty of steel tubing manufactures here in Michigan. WTF? For example, in Madison Heights http://jamessteel.com/

Sterile Whites 48313 wrote:

frank - up in grand blanc wrote:I didn't know that about the bikes: I too was of the understanding that someone was forging parts right here (well, there) in Detroit.

This situation brings to mind the case of domestic content laws in foreign countries and how they were addressed by the Big Three. This is going back to the mid-90s, but I understood that Venezuela had a law to this effect, and Chrysler's work-around was to ship crates filled with kit cars for assembly by the locals. In other words there was really nothing manufactured in Venezuela that was needed or appropriate, so they'd let the natives perform the final steps of assembly. A few turns of the wrench by Jose and ta-da: a Venezuelan "made" Neon.

Kind of dispiriting to read that the watches are, to my eyes, only American in terms of the leatherwork. Like, who gives a shit about the leather? The precision work re: design, engineering, and manufacturing is where I'd expect the real value to be added. Welcome to New Venezuela, boys...

Fender has been doing it for years with their Guitars, manufacture and finish the parts in Corona,CA. and ship them over the border to Mexico for assembly. Voila, a Mexi-Fender (American made quality, without the American made price). And riddle me this, Shinola gets frame and fork tubing from Mississippi, yet we have plenty of steel tubing manufactures here in Michigan. WTF? For example, in Madison Heights http://jamessteel.com/

The Suburban Avenger wrote:Artisan cocktails or whatever the fuck they call making you wait 10 minutes for a drink is. And the people that pour them.

4.0 and I took her folks to Two James around 9 p.m. Saturday night. Bar was full but the place hardly was hopping. A kid and two young women were behind the bar.
The bearded gnome comes over to us and informs it will be at least 20 minutes before we could get a drink because of the special care that goes into making them. 4.0's dad, who still seems fond of raising hell at 62, asks if he's going to freeze the ice cubes to make him a bourbon on the rocks. I had an old fashioned and the girls split a Moscow mule. The drinks were in front of us in less than five minutes.

I've heard similar stories from people who've walked into a relatively empty Sugar House. You'd think they're distilling the gin up their arrogant assholes.

I hate bartenders who think they're something more than the drummers of the service industry: They think they're one of a kind when there's a thousand more that can do the same job without the pretentiousness. Fuck 'em.

frank - up in grand blanc wrote:I didn't know that about the bikes: I too was of the understanding that someone was forging parts right here (well, there) in Detroit.

This situation brings to mind the case of domestic content laws in foreign countries and how they were addressed by the Big Three. This is going back to the mid-90s, but I understood that Venezuela had a law to this effect, and Chrysler's work-around was to ship crates filled with kit cars for assembly by the locals. In other words there was really nothing manufactured in Venezuela that was needed or appropriate, so they'd let the natives perform the final steps of assembly. A few turns of the wrench by Jose and ta-da: a Venezuelan "made" Neon.

Kind of dispiriting to read that the watches are, to my eyes, only American in terms of the leatherwork. Like, who gives a shit about the leather? The precision work re: design, engineering, and manufacturing is where I'd expect the real value to be added. Welcome to New Venezuela, boys...